In this episode, Tyler Turner and guest Kent Doepel from West Coast CFB talk PAC 12 this past week’s games and preview the upcoming week. Also going over this latest in the Big 10 and preview a big week 5.
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Tyler Turner – @TurnerCast
Kent Doepel – @WestCoastCFB
Transcript
Tyler Turner
Welcome to this first cast November 16 2020. This is the Tyler Turner show. Please subscribe on iTunes to the sportscast. Also check us out on Twitter, sportscast. One, Periscope, YouTube, please leave a like and leave comments and give us a review. Say whatever you want to try to say, get some good quality college football information from the Tyler Turner show. Anyhow, today we’re here with Kindle from West Coast College Football. I have actually for quite some time I’ve always checked out their stuff. They’re good at sharing basic analytics when it comes to the PAC 12. And West Coast football in general. So Ken, how you doing man?
Kent Doepel
Hey, Tyler doing good. And you know, thankful to be on and talking Pac 12 football with you?
Tyler Turner
Yeah. So tell us a little bit about your site. And just tell us a little bit about your Twitter and how you got that going? And how long have you been at covering basically the West Coast? And it’s specifically be the back? 12?
Kent Doepel
Yeah, so our website is West Coast. CFB calm, definitely check it out. We have articles that cover the PAC 12 Mountain West and Big Sky as well. You know, give you a good rundown on you know, especially you know, going into a season, you know, figure out you know what your team has pieces they have, you know how their coach situation is their recruiting, we kind of cover all that in a fun way. It’s a free website, which these days is getting pretty rare. I know a lot of sites are going to charge you money. So if you’re looking for a free site that offers good analysis on the PAC 12 and Mountain West, it’s definitely a great place to check it out. And then our Twitter handle is West Coast. CFP. We definitely had a steady stream of tweets going out, you know, breaking down Pac 12 results, providing analytics for the PAC 12 and Mountain West and Big Sky. So definitely give us a follow there. And check it out and hope you like it.
Tyler Turner
I’m not you know, like fac Pac 12 Are any of the other like Pac 12 Twitter handles Pac 12 people and the other one Pac 12. Twitter? Do you have any relation to them? Are those totally completely unrelated to you? Uh,
Kent Doepel
yes, worse. Quality is completely unrelated. Okay, nice. Yeah. But with a 12 pack radio, give their podcasts to listen.
Unknown Speaker
Oh, yeah.
Kent Doepel
pod. So those are two podcasts that were linked with. So definitely check those out as well.
Tyler Turner
So really quick, okay, cuz I was the PAC 12 radio all the time. There’s some really good stuff.
Kent Doepel
Yeah, yep. Those are friends of ours. And also remember they put together and we’re on there sometimes so it’s definitely a great great place to listen in you know, get information about Pac 12 as well
Tyler Turner
actually had his Ladell on here probably bout a month ago and obviously he’s amazing at breaking down some awesome baseline talent on rosters he does a pretty terrific jobs game grades so Oh yeah. So then obviously Pac 12 football last power five conference to get going. We didn’t know this. They’re gonna get going. I I will I’ve given up hope I give up hope on the big 10 in the PAC 12. And then out of the depths of disparity both you know, rose up like lights in the night and they got it going and now is awesome. So we can get all five power five teams come back through two weeks. Obviously there’s been some not so you know, some hiccups. What you could say you had a Utah get both their games canceled. Cal had actually built their games canceled, but they’re able to reschedule with UCLA. Which was, I think, a good good idea that the panel was able to pull together. But for the first two weeks just asked you from a generalized perspective, what have you thought about the play? four games? four games? The first week, five games last week? What have you thought about the quality? What has stood out to you? What has maybe not stood out to you? And what would you and then we can talk about future procrastinations moving forward, but what is your been been your overall thoughts? were the first after the first two weeks of football in Pac? 12.
Kent Doepel
Yeah, my initial takeaways, just I think it’s a very unpredictable season. You know, there’s a lot of results so far that, you know, I don’t think people necessarily saw coming. And I think that a lot of the, you know, the top teams had some players leave early for the NFL. And I think that kind of allowed in even more parody than the PAC 12 was even used to, you know, tacos always as parody, but I think it’s even more so this year. I definitely didn’t expect Colorado to look as good as they are so far. You know, another, you know, wrench in every team has plans is, you know, all the players have to sit, I’ll do the code at COVID. So, you know, I think that adds just like the mystery of every game. And then the results like, you know, UCLA and cow, you know, had like, what, 48 hours to prepare for each other. And then you see when they just dominated them and I did not see that coming. I thought, you know, I thought cow might win that game by you know, close game, but kaldwin like 2017 but, you know, UCLA the way that and so it’s just like, you know, I feel like when you’re watching this game, you’re like, you know, you’d have an Oregon State like I did not expect Oregon State but hang with u dub close. So it’s been a kind of wild start, and I don’t feel like it feels as predictable as most seasons do, where you can kind of tell which teams are are the cream of the crop and eating a lot of close games now as a result.
Tyler Turner
Now to be a little bit of a devil’s advocate. Oh, that’s right you were to use. Now Oregon was a team that you would say probably coming into this year was considered by most prognosticators as the top team. Now they had full OPT outs the last day school, the best offensive tackle college football. You didn’t watch three defensive players Thomas Graham, quarterback, Kevin Holland, Nickelback and Brady Brees. I think that many people, some people thought that they would struggle, but through the first two weeks. And now and then everyone on here knows that I’m a fan of Oregon, and that is my team. But I would still say that, from what I’ve seen, they’re significantly the best team still in the league just immediately didn’t even play great. The first two games five, there are negative five when it comes to the turnover ratio. They turn the ball over twice in the Stanford game three times in the Washington State game actually turned the ball over to be specific three times in the first quarter in the Washington State game, and actually have not produced any turnovers yet. They pretty easily won both games 21 over Stanford and 14 over Washington State. What would you say about Oregon so far, especially since obviously, they were kind of a team coming in. Then they had all the OPT outs some people thought that they really struggle because of that. But then they’ve kind of been I guess more so than then like you said it has been unpredictable. Cow, we didn’t look as good their first game as you thought. Washington who I still think is one of the better rosters in the PAC 12. Pretty much could have lost that game with that bad call hadn’t happened. And then you have USC who basically was darn lucky to beat Arizona State and was darn lucky to be Arizona had a couple breaks go their way they could easily be open to
Unknown Speaker
what have you
Tyler Turner
thought about Oregon because I think so far. Bias aside, I think they have been the best the most impressive team so far at the early part of the season.
Kent Doepel
Yeah, my takeaways the same as you you know, I think that you consider what Oregon lost. Just you know, from last year’s team, but also during the opt out period. What they’ve done is really impressive, especially offensively. No offense has been amazing in I mean, regular new quarterback and already have it, you know, scoring play was 43 points against Wazoo. Um, I mean, it’s it’s been really very impressive what they’ve done in that they can play sloppy, but still wins games with a comfortable margin in the end. So, um, you know, I think that would definitely been the most impressive team I think USC, I mean, it’s just, they’re gonna they’re gonna lose their first two games and they somehow I don’t know how pulled them out. But, you know, I don’t know how long they can get lucky doing that. And then u dub. I mean, yeah, it did not look good for them. You know, when when Oregon State was inside the five yard line, they had like that third in one and then you know, that was a bad kind of call. It looked like at least, you know, that prevented Oregon State from getting that touchdown or potential touchdown. So, definitely u dub in USC, I would say have kind of underperformed my expectations. And I think that Oregon has exceeded I think that there’s still work for Oregon to do. But that’s actually makes them you know, almost more impressive that, you know, their defense is going to do better as season goes on. It’s, you know, that’s kind of weirdly been like, not as good as I expected it to be. But is it better? You know, they have a lot of young talent. So it’s it, you know, when we get to like December, it’s gonna be playing at a very high level. And I think that they’re definitely the team to beat in the back wall
Tyler Turner
when it comes out, because I would have, I was kind of bullish organ losses, guys, but I was like they’ve recruited so well on that side of the ball. Despite losing that many guys, he still had so that so much talent that I actually I didn’t think there was going to be much for drop off on defense. And actually, that side of the ball has surrendered 400 yards in both games. They did miss a lot of tackles in the last game. The safety position is a major question mark, those two OPT outs are very visible in that position. And then I thought their offense I was like, Well, it wasn’t today. So having five all new starters, unlike often might step back. I actually need to Office nificantly better than last year and I think a lot of that goes to the fact that you have Joe Morehead I also think they have by far the best running back group in the PAC 12 never really helps because you there, they’re just able to do some watch whether it’s out of the backfield catching the ball running and then actually Oregon and I was kind of bullish on this, I said that receiving corps that has not been so good, has gotten a lot of reps and they’re all like seniors and sophomores and juniors that have played quite a bit and they have played they’ve been very good. JOHN Johnson third, Jalen red, Michael Pittman, Josh Delgado all them are pretty are all pretty good wide receivers and so they have pretty good group there but I do agree that defense as so so far a little softer with the tackling and they’ve surrendered a lot more yards than I thought they’d be so they actually the good side of the ball has not been as good and the ball that I side that I thought would take a little time is is the right now the number forth for a college football as far as efficiency the number five and total yards number five rushing offense the nation so they actually have technically one of the best offenses through the first couple games. But they are always looking ahead to like what you could see you could foresee in the future which team right now that maybe people aren’t talking about but you’ve seen play g think could be when it would all send down could could be in position to possibly win into someone particularly or who could be Who do you think is the team that could be in position to possibly win the basketball this year or be in position to always play for the PAC 12 title?
Kent Doepel
Yeah, I think that you know, the two teams that really surprised me with the quality of play they’ve had is Colorado and UCLA. Um, you know, Colorado offense looks really really really good and then UCLA offense also looks really good and you know usually his defense didn’t look so good against Colorado but their defense looked really good against Cal so you know, I think that I would put those two teams as you know, the title South seems like it’s up for grabs you know, USC is probably the favorite still but they haven’t impressed that much so I you know in Colorado you gotta watch out for them and then also watch out for for UCLA I think they use the Oregon game suite could be kind of a fun one to really give a measuring stick to what UCLA is actually able to do. Because even Colorado still I think that we’re not you know, they are to know now but you know, I think that once we see what UCLA can do against Oregon will make me realize either you know usually is legit or they’re not. So you know, we still want games be played and kind of figure it all out but and then call out a nice layer. The two teams that look like they could surprise and maybe win the battle south.
Tyler Turner
Yeah, make your rival Colorado This is a team that I did my preseason predictions. I believe I’m not looking at it right now. I think I might have had Colorado one game and if it was one game was over Arizona, they would either one in five or six. But not only have they been to a no they currently are top 30 in both defenses defense of an offensive efficiency. Neuer has been tremendous. He’s been he’s he’s been a dual threat guys passing throwing little schindl they have their they have a very good running back. Well currently Brossard who leads the PAC 12 and running, they have made it even defensively they’ve gotten off to quarterback both games they forced turnovers in the UCLA game. A little bit of that Stanford now Davis Mills who obviously Have the code the false positive for the covid kept him out of the Oregon game. And he actually did not end up being cleared until I think it was the day before the Colorado game. And it really did impact in the first half. He wasn’t very good. He was much better in the second half. And he actually almost brought them back. I think they were down, quote, I could be wrong. They they were down 3516 going into fourth quarter. And they actually only ended up losing 35 to 32. So it did help that Mills was was pretty often the first half and he was much better than the second. And I actually think Stanford. Seeing them the first two weeks. I think they actually have some talent on that offensive side of the ball. But Colorado, you’re right there too. And oh, their games canceled this week against ASU, they’re probably gonna go against USC, you’re gonna be undefeated, probably. Unless they have a makeup game this week, which who knows what’s gonna happen this year? Kara predicted things change so rapidly. But could it be USC?
Unknown Speaker
I mean it when I look at them on paper,
Tyler Turner
I’m like, they shouldn’t be at USC. But then who is USC? They’re the most baffling team and they have been for the last decade since Pete Carroll left UFC you just don’t know what you’re gonna get from them. They have all the talent in the world. Most of the years except for this year that that top five talent this year, they’re probably I think they’re my formula around like 12 but they’re still the probably most talent roster on paper in the PAC 12. And they got guys who have NFL potential on all levels, but you look at them on offense, they have trouble running the ball on their offensive line, especially in the middle is having trouble getting a real push in a really moving people off the ball. And also slovis has been pressured slovis honestly has been a little off he’s an extremely accurate, or they still have a great wide receiver group on Ross and brown Bru McCoy, Drake London. Tyler Vaughn’s but defensively they’re inconsistent in stopping the run their linebackers miss a lot of tackles take bad angles. The defensive backs have trouble tackling unit did breakdowns in the secondary. They’re just don’t Sure. So USC under clay Helton, and they’ve even more so that way. And when you say they’re just so you’ll see means you just don’t know where to get from USC. So while right now i’d you like you said and I predicted that it mostly predicted USC to win the South. I don’t know if you can just stay there. I don’t know. They I could see them moving to Utah this week. I could see them moving to Colorado, um, or ivacy moves UCLA. So I guess they’re just an all day would you say, in your perspective is the most baffling thing about what is USC Trojans?
Kent Doepel
You know, what you said is very accurate. And it’s, you know, like, this weekend, you thought, you know, if they beat Utah, you know, four to 10, they wouldn’t shock me. If they lose, you know, 34 to 10. It also wouldn’t shock me and that’s the crazy part about it. It’s like, they can really just, you know, seem like they turned on and off randomly in week by week. And even during the game, you know, I mean, against Arizona state when they were down 20 was at 27 to 14, you know, left and all sudden, they just crank out 14 points in the span of you know, under three minutes. And it’s just, you know, they have more talent than than really anyone in the PAC 12. But they don’t seem to always have it just jelling or, you know, maybe it’s the coaching. But, you know, the funny thing is, I actually really liked their coaching hires this offseason, too. So, you know, I think that Harold’s a talented coach, you know, but maybe they are raised not a great scheme for what they have, but I don’t know, like, their offense should be better than it is with, you know, who they have running the array, you think they’d be able to score, you know, 4050 maybe even 60 points against Arizona who did not have a good defense, you know, last season so, it’s interesting, and I think that it really just comes down to probably, you know, it’s it’s the lack of coaching that they’ve had the past since Pete Carroll left, I guess, you know, they just don’t have that top tier, top tier coach to really take advantage of their talent and just I don’t know, they you know, they really need to just find a way to play more consistent in you know, USC should never be a team that goes you know, five and seven like they did in 2018 like the minimum you should be winning at least nine or 10 games with the talent they have in the PAC 12
Tyler Turner
it’s it’s one of those because yeah, you’re seeing these articles and once again, it’s liquid you USC as look with the production they have coming back, look at who they have the skill positions, look at they have even on defense and I kept on Thank you In any I make my predictions but I’m like you’re a CS USC until they prove to me that they’re not just the most alarmingly inconsistent team. I have trouble like really sitting there and be like, Oh yes, he’s gonna win this game you’ll see like, you’ll see like, Oregon versus USC. I can pretty I I will see how you as he’s gonna beat Oregon, because you Oregon’s tough Oregon’s gonna hit you in the mouth and do I see UFC really coming and hitting them back in the mouth I don’t I to me that I just as a game as as a fan or as an observer like I want to tell you I see they don’t really I just they’re not tough they’re not a team that you can you know you’re gonna give them a body blow and they’re gonna give you a body blow back and you they might make a mistake but but they’re gonna come back then you just you just don’t feel that from USC. You feel like they’re probably going to underperform and games that they should over perform then once in a while because of the talent they have. Like remember last year I don’t know if you remember gets Utah when they’re just like clean soul this goes out in the first quarter and then Matt Fink just goes plays our ball he started up to Michael Pittman and armour Ron Tyler Vaughn’s and all the sudden they win that game and it’s just cuz well no one could guard Michael Pittman Armand Ryan and they have that ability because of the talent but the same time I remember last year get to Oregon Oregon like drew them out of building a couple things didn’t go USC was playing good. You I thought oh my goodness he was he came to play. I don’t know if they’re gonna win this game. But then all of a sudden to give kick returner they throw an interception and the wheels completely blew off they were then after I was like screen passes the ball for touchdowns. I’m like this team quit and that’s that’s kind of just the modus operandi with them especially under Helton is when they hit in the mouth they quit if a team is to cheat other teams if they come out under motivated against other team they will come out under motivated to but then maybe once in a while they have at least a couple guys show up and you go out there and they throw some bombs and then all of a sudden they pull off the upset over like Utah because they have that kind of talent. But it’s so hard to predict them. It’s so hard to say you USC is going to be seven and oh and they’re going to have a chance to make calls Football Playoff it’s I just think under Helton it’s just almost I would say darn near impossible to say. Let’s say your team Washington obviously is the start of the Jimmy Laker did what I expected from Washington I forgot what my predictions was I think I had them be foreign to I actually might have them be oh no because I actually never predicted actually had them before and one because I already knew the Cal game was canceled. So also I had to them was Oregon. But I was little I probably wasn’t their defense is good. They I mean their secondary is about secondary in the PAC 12 Elijah molden Trent McDuffie, Kyler Borden all those guys are just Chuck E. Taylor IV, I get the best secondary experience. Now I wasn’t super impressed with the front seven. I thought they got run on a little bit. I Jefferson’s good running back. But I thought they got run on a little bit. And then their offense, which was a question mark. Last
year, I was not involved with the john Donovan hire because after all, he was the guy who got fired at Penn State who Joe Moore had got hired at Penn State in Morehead and got hired at Oregon. Washington hires Donovan, who got fired, so I was kind of questioning that hire. And then when I saw the offense, it kind of looks similar to last year. kind of you know, they can run they had some good running backs. Recruit good game. Sunday Newton Dave Davis good right guys good offensive line and Jackson Kirkland might be the best offensive tackle in the PAC 12 human to him are very talker. But then once again, knocker quarterback play once again, not great wide receiver play, and pretty predictable at offense, and really didn’t do much did pretty well at the beginning. But then as the game went on, they that oftens pretty much kind of was pretty predictable one dimensional and really it was not it was not playing a very good level arm against Oregon State team which is just not very good, especially in a defense. So what was your overall thoughts? The first game for Washington, and what do you expect of Washington? What are your expectations for the season? And what are your expectations? Yeah, where are your expectations to the seasons and expectations moving forwards after seeing that first game?
Kent Doepel
Yeah, going into the season. You know, I thought sending is you I thought Washington would go for and one with a loss. Oregon. But I did not expect Oregon State to nearly beat the Huskies. So it was definitely a surprise now, you know, result in that game. And I think that the Husky rush defense looked vulnerable, I think that, um, the secondary, like you said looked amazing, and they’re going to shut down teams that try to pass on them. But you know, teams are going to try to run the ball now, as a result, so you’re going to need to, I don’t know, may put more guys in the box, which isn’t necessarily their style, they like to play that kind of a nickel defense. So you know, that might not work this year, they did lose leave I own was already gay. So that’s a big loss for them in losing trial. And so, you know, maybe that’s the reason but it definitely to figure something out and maybe commit more guys to the run to stop that. But the defense is gonna be it’s gonna be fine. But the offense is the bigger worry, I think. I mean, they were able to run the ball against Oregon State. But really, who doesn’t? So you know, it’s it’s, it’s it’s good are impressive running performance. But can you do it against Oregon? Can you do it against, you know, even Stanford might be a little harder than then against Oregon State. So it’s not the most inspiring thing in the world, when you can’t pass the ball into Oregon State. You know, you shouldn’t be one dimensional in that way. You know, it’s one thing if you just don’t need to pass the ball, and you can just run in gaps, the team, but they needed to pass the ball that in that game, and they couldn’t do it. I don’t know if Moore’s is who I would have chosen as a starting quarterback might think that he looked okay. But it’s kind there’s a lot of like five yards, slants he was throwing in nothing down the field. I’d like to see him you know, try throwing more more down the field to really judge him. But, um, you know, he looks limited as a quarterback, offensive kind of limited. They need to definitely show more. I think this week against Arizona, they’re gonna need to throw the ball more to when Arizona is run defense against USC, while not spectacular, they have some big guys on the line. So if Huskies can’t throw the ball, I mean, you’re gonna find a way to get upset at some point, it’s you can’t just run the ball only you have to have a threat of passing the ball because like Oregon State, once they realized that he’s just gonna run the ball every single play. They just started stacking the box and then they stopped the run right? And then it becomes a very, very close game. And if Huskies didn’t get a few breaks their way they may have lost that game as a result so hence a lot of worry for the Huskies, I think the schedule is still pretty easy. I think they should find a way to beat Arizona should be able to be Washington state should be able to beat Stanford. But those games are definitely going to be closer than people maybe thought for the year. And I think that you know, the Oregon game will probably decide to talk 12 North between the two teams and I don’t know if the Huskies are capable of beating Oregon with a one dimensional offense so it’s going to be an interesting season and I wouldn’t be surprised if Huskies get upset along the way against one of those teams before Oregon.
Tyler Turner
Yeah, the one thing so a couple thoughts go to my mind. The Washington State game versus Washington that was in two weeks
Unknown Speaker
that Thanksgiving Friday. Okay,
Tyler Turner
so so it was just like Oregon Oregon State that that came to me is interesting law that Jane delora if you see him play he’s a he’s a pressive young quarterback and they have a couple of wide receivers Harris I got good with names ever but they Kerris is one guy’s name and the other guy’s name I can’t think of so they they are do have the ability to actually Macintosh and borghi if he’s back with him. I do think it’s a pretty good offense for Washington State. Um, it is a different offenses that seems leech to run and shoot it’s out there right. So it’s a little it’s a little different approach to offense because I know lake was awesome against leech leeches. We should go for 40 against everyone else and then go against lakes defense and score like 10. But I do think that it’s a little bit different. I bet that game is a little it’s kind of interesting to me. Because because they do have the ability to score have the ability to run so and you saw that they’re able to be run on and Washington, Washington would have to utilize to be able to utilize their offense and I just I just didn’t see it in the first game. And remember that is the first game but I like you was a little surprised. I thought Morris was the fourth quarterback. So when I heard he was starting, I was expecting sermon first, Thompson second, and then garbers third, third ironers Morris I was like, okay, the other does the fourth quarter rack. So how’s those flies and he didn’t look that good. But I guess he won the job so the other guys must have not looked as good as him. So And I and I and the Huskies have some high rated recruits, a receiver, Jalen McMillan kukuku, who’s who’s played always plays pretty well. Maurice spiker, Austin Osborne, but I’m not seeing it. Kate Austin, who’s arguably the best tight end in the conference. Also, I didn’t see a lot of him in the last game. So I am just wondering what Washington cuz Yeah, you look at the schedule. And I would take third beat ozona I still think they’d be Washington State. And, yeah, I think it’d be Stanford. I don’t think Stanford is very good. But then what I saw on offense, I could see the moves in Washington State, I could even see if Davis Mills gets in, he gets some rhythm. With that offense, I could see them possibly elsewhere, Washington taking that game. And then it comes to the Oregon game, where I made if I saw what I’ve seen so far, Oregon, when I saw Washington, there was just one game. So I don’t want to judge off that. But I would definitely take I think Oregon would win because I mean, I just did have to keep up with him. Oregon’s go score, despite a good defense that Washington has, and I just don’t see how Washington’s could accumulate enough offense. So I am curious, there are a team that I know that talent they have in the roster, and they’re one of the most talented rosters in color in in multicultural, non college football bidding Pac 12 and bowood show this year, and I think that is to be determined. So I think that’s one highlight to move forwards. Um, I guess just to finish off here it with Pac 12. I guess we’ll go over kind of what we think of this week’s games. First game, and we’ll ask you about is Cal versus Oregon State. It doesn’t really matter at Oregon State. No, Vance does really matter this year. What do you think about that game?
Kent Doepel
You know, a week ago, I would have thought that you know, college I win that game easily, but Cal did not look good. So that makes me a little skeptical. And this is gonna be hard to predict in a kind of goes back to saying earlier where this season is just so much harder to predict than I would have thought it would be. So I’m going to go with Castile but it really wouldn’t surprise me if Cal loses this game. But you know, I think that cow I think that Oregon State is just I don’t think they have the team this year. That’s gonna win that game. I think cow finds a way to win it and they’ll probably play better in their in week two, you know, I think they might have just been rough adjustment, you know, going into playing a team that already played already in only having 48 hours, you know, no time this scheme really. So. I’ll take collagens Oregon State.
Unknown Speaker
Um,
Tyler Turner
you know, I’m gonna take Oregon State I’m with begin to season cows getting some buzz, you know, like john willner. Sure, you know him for Mercury News. He picked him to win the North. But I always was under the impression that I know Kyle is bringing back a lot of people on offense. But the problem was their offense wasn’t any good. So they’re bringing back a ton of marginal players. I still think they have a very good align. I don’t think they have they have very limited skill, talent. And garbers is the head quarterback. He’s a tough quarterback. I don’t think he’s very, super talented passer. So I don’t think and then the first game of the season, when most offenses like the defense’s have looked pretty shabby across college football. But as a whole, the offenses have looked a better and cow against not a very good UCLA UCLA surrendered 500 yards the first week against Colorado, and really I don’t think is very talented on defense. Kyle couldn’t do anything. So I just don’t know if it’s gonna change. I actually think how’s the team that might not win a game this year, and I just kind of surprising say, after a tee their favorite to win, possibly the north by some, but not by me. I don’t think I was very good. So I’m taking Oregon State. I’m UCLA. And this is to be determined. I think it’s gonna either be on ESPN or possibly moved to Fox. They don’t have a time for the game, but UCLA out of Oregon, who do you got for that game?
Kent Doepel
It’s the game I’m actually most excited to watch. I think this is gonna be the measuring stick game for UCLA to figure out if, if that performance gets cows, you know, for real. And also to figure out how good Oregon is, I think Oregon is gonna win this game and they’re going to win, actually, pretty handily. I wouldn’t say we’re gonna win this game by you know, 14 points or so. But I’m really excited to watch it just to see if you see like we kind of continue the offensive ability they’ve shown early in the year you know, they they put some points up on Cal in Colorado, so you know, it’s gonna be it’s gonna be a test for Oregon, I think is going to be kind of the measuring stick game for both programs to really see where they’re both at for the season. Yeah,
Tyler Turner
yeah, purpose kind of office. He kind of said everything. That I would I think it is an interesting game because it’s obviously chip Keller anytime it goes back to Oregon, that’s where he got his start as a career. That’s pretty much what made Oregon was chip failures. I just think Oregon is just too talented. Um, I don’t think is a great matchup for UCLA in general because matchups make fights as they say, I think they’re going to struggle to stop the run, I resolved restart, don’t be weak Colorado, really be able to submit as well and was able to kind of run on that defense. And I think you’re gonna see a similar, I think a team that’s going to be Oregon is a team that has to stop them from running the ball. Because once they get the run going, then obviously you’re going to bring more guys into the box, even like Washington State started to do and what that does is it just us start setting up the pass. And Morehead it was just a terrific offensive coordinator. I think one of the best play calls last week when they you know, they kept on coming up capricho to box. So he just sends the running back on a on a swing. And they’re kept on reading that swing. They’re like trying to cut it off, up in the box, read the swing, took them on a fly pattern 70 yard dime to Travis die. And that’s as they they’re going to keep on coming up. If they’re going to try to cheat on plays. Well, it’s going to do it’s just going to set them up over the top and it’s going to make pretty easy reads for for big explosive plays down the field. So that is a problem with UCLA. I just think they’re gonna have trouble up front and then it’s going to set up big plays on the field. I do like Dorian Thompson Robinson as an athlete, he does make mistakes of the ball. He does put the ball in harm’s way. And because of that, I think he could turn the ball over a couple times. I think you’ll get I haven’t been tested Oregon’s off the defense. So I think UCLA will score some points. I Robinson will scrambled I think you make some some runs on the ground. But I think all in all, I just think they’ll wear them down. I think it’d be able to take advantage of that way. I could see I probably like a 4221 kind of game. It was at well Husky. So Washington, what do you think about that game?
Kent Doepel
You know, go into the year, I would have to think Husky would have won this game in a blowout but it’s going to be close. It’s gonna be a fun game. I’m a huge fan of Grand Canal. I think that he has a lot of talent. And I actually really liked the scheme that Arizona showed last week against USC. So, you know, Husky defense is better than USC. But Arizona’s gonna put up some points. And they have a big running back and Gary brightwell and big running backs have actually given the Huskies some trouble over the years. You know, those guys that weigh like 215 plus have been able to kind of beat on the Huskies and gained some yardage. So I think that they’re gonna, you know, you know, Oregon State was very one dimensional, all the hands run game. I think the Arizona is going to be more dynamic and be able to do both. I think that Huskies still find a way to pull it out. You know, they’re going to need to show more in the passing game. I think she’s won this game. Maybe by three. It’s going to be a really, really close game. I say something like 27 to 24 Husky win. But it should be a fun one. Yeah.
Tyler Turner
similar to yours. I would have taken Washington by a lot in the preseason. I think Arizona looked better. I also think USC looked really bad. Um, I don’t think it’s a great matchup for Arizona. Like I said, I think Washington is the best secondary in the PAC 12. I think and now is going to make mistakes he made he he got away with a few plays just because one of us sees on disciplined, but I don’t think that’s going to be the issues Washington, I think they’re going to turn the wall over a couple times, I think you’re gonna get some plays by a guy like moulden or McDuffie in the, in the passing game, they’re going to see a couple interceptions. And I think that’s going to be enough for there to be a little bit of a gap. I just didn’t like what I saw the Washington’s office, but I think they’re going to be able to run on them a little bit. I think they’ll get some ground game. Washington’s gonna have to try to get some kind of passing game because even if they can run on a team like Arizona and run on Oregon State, and run on some of these teams that just don’t have the talent up front. When it comes to Oregon, they’re not going to be able to just do that. And they’re going to have to take shots down the field. I haven’t seen it. I want to see it first game. And I haven’t seen it from Washington for a while. So let’s see if they can do it this week. I still think I just think there’s I think they’re gonna be able to they have to make mistakes. I have to be like a 2814 kind of game. Um, obviously it was in a state and Colorado’s canceled. I think you will see in Utah is happy it sounds like you talked about some players back I would say this is probably the most matchup this weekend. I would consider it the best match for the back wall in my opinion. Who do you have in USC at Washington? That’s nice. You will see a Utah
Kent Doepel
Yeah, I’m taking the Trojan this one. I think that we’ve seen a lot of teams struggle in their first game on defense. us he’s got two hands under their belt, so their offense is going to be clicking at that point. I think Utah is going to have to have some adjustment. I’ve heard out other reports on a fall camp or that Utah has had some struggles in their back end of their defense. So you know, they’re bringing in some new some new guys. I’ll take the Trojans I think Trojans last time they played Utah against a better Utah defense last year. Like we talked about earlier, you know, they were just tossing up little like floaters and then dude just jump out and jump that Utah DBZ at the ball and you know, I think that we’re gonna see a lot of that again today or I mean this week and I think USC finds a way to win you know, probably a close game maybe a three to seven point win but I think the edge for them is going to come just having more you know, time to pair their their team with having few games already under their belt.
Unknown Speaker
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Tyler Turner
good explanation there. Um, man, you will see the team is so hard to predict. They’re so damn hard to predict um, because Utah hasn’t played yet our Utah is had to replace so much on defense had to replace their starting quarterback starting running back. There’s so much question marks that you’re like, man, yeah, you have to pick us see, but then you will see who like, look how they have looked and look who they are. Um, I mean, my head wants to say USC, but then a poem is just like they’re gonna blow one of these games. And is this the game? If you had played I would unquestionably probably take you especially they’d look halfway decent like they’re one in one to know and look, you know, maybe not as good but look better I just think I know it’s not really a road game It doesn’t really matter as much this year. But actually going to Utah in elevation probably if there is a home field advantage just because it changes elevation and you’re not you like Colorado and Utah probably have any teams in the PAC 12 just because of that can have a little bit of advantage and obviously Colorado on their opening home game and we’ll see what Utah is but that that probably gives a little advantage because they practice in it of the teams don’t i’m i’m going to reluctantly take you I think it is you make some points because of the you know, the defensive actual having to replace everyone and they you do have big time guys and Norma, Ron, Fonz and Drake London and I think they’re going to be able to utilize that but if USC loses this game, I will not be shocked and I’m not picking them rather question mark again, I’m not picking them. And I and I just don’t know I could see UFC losing this game but I roll walked in way take them. They did make a couple flows, big time plays in the passing game. And I think Utah just is a little bit inconsistent because it’s the first game of the season. And they’re breaking in so many new starters. The last game of the season. So last game of the season. Oh my goodness skin layout. It’s getting late here in the central time 945 last game of the next weekend will be Washington state at Stanford. Interesting in our What do you think about this game?
Kent Doepel
I’ve loved was us. Offense so far. I think that looks amazing. I think that travail Harris and Renard Bell at receiver have done a really good job. Dealing Macintosh might be the biggest surprise in the catalog to me, I mean, without Max borghi in you know, somehow he looks almost just as good if not better than than bourgie. So, you know, he’s he’s looking really impressive. I think that was he was gonna put up points on Stanford. The lawsuit defenses, flash potential at times, but then also kind of just gives a lot of points and the him guys not being consistent. Definitely a big fan of Aiden, Hector, and when he’s at quarterback for LA zoo, but I think cougars win this game. I think it’s gonna be a fun one kind of winds up being kind of high scoring. I think koovs when maybe 3528
Tyler Turner
February inheritor he actually was a four star. I do this all American. He signed with Stanford. I don’t know if you knew that. And he actually ended up not going to Stanford because he got some off field travel. He walked on at Washington State. And obviously last week, he was responsible. He had to fumble recoveries and interception. So that’s just an interesting fact. Um, did you know that?
Kent Doepel
I did actually because he loved the Seattle area. So and I live in Oh,
Unknown Speaker
yeah. Okay, so
Kent Doepel
him being close by like, you know, I kind of had to follow that whole storyline certainly interesting. And I’m glad that was he was able to get such a such talented player, you know, like, it’s crazy. He’s a walk on and he’s already one of the best players on the defense. You know,
Tyler Turner
the best rocker you could ever ask for. Great, he was terrific. And they do this all American bowl and he I believe he had a touchdown actually on defense. So I mean, he’s a great player. Um, but this game is interesting to me. I’m like, at the beginning of the year, I actually was a little more bullish than most people on Stanford. And the reason why is I think they really do have some talented offensive, some really good offensive talent. They do have a good offensive line. Guys like Dolman and foster seral. I mean, these were really highly regarded guys coming out of high school and I think they did some good things against Oregon in the first half last week against Colorado. It Davis Mills was just so off he looks so rusty and it kind of was unfortunately he couldn’t play for what was it a week or so because of the COVID false positive. But you know, I love a truck the name What is the name of the wide receiver for Stanford you can absolutely flies it FICO. Si,
Kent Doepel
si mi foco.
Tyler Turner
si mi fi algo. That guy is just 4.3 dude, he’s probably about 632 hundred 25 pounds. That guy’s a stud. Michael Wilson was one of the top returning receivers Carter ready to also resolved because the covert protocol is a great dual threat guy on the right. I like the couple of the running backs, I think looked very impressive in the Oregon game especially. And even in the second half against Colorado. I think Stanford wins this game and I think Stanford maybe she viewed Whitesnake, I think in a week with Davis mills and I do think Davis Mills is one of more talented quarterbacks in the PAC 12. So I think Stanford finally writes the ship I do, I’d reason why I’m a little hesitant to pick this game for Stanford is that Stanford defense is just not very good. I saw the movie thrown against Oregon, they’re just not dressed out against Iran. That’s a bunch of Young Dudes playing back there in the secondary, and they’re pretty novice and they make you know, they’re just getting to just new they’re, they’re young. And I don’t think they’re actually very talented in their front seven. So that defense in obviously, Washington says a very good offense and a good quarterback, good receivers. So I think they’re going to score I think it’s gonna be a really high scoring game. I’m talking about like, 5649 kind of game, but somehow I liked what I saw in the second half for Stanford. And I like some of those pieces they have specifically a wide receiver and even at the running back and quarterback position. So I’m going to pick Stanford to pull that one out. Next week and Paul Otto I did well, I appreciate you coming out here I’ll probably have you on here again. I’m always trying to get some West Coast guys to talk a little Pac 12 with me and I’m excited to see what the season has in store. So hopefully we get me Arizona state’s already canceled Did you lose in the state plays against us here
Kent Doepel
Do I think they play again this year? Is that your question? Yeah, I think they’ll they’ll definitely have a game happen but I mean my worry is like with COVID increasing across like the nation and all these people that they’d someone just pulls the plug on college football you know, that would be the biggest You know, I’m happy just going week by week and just
Unknown Speaker
having as many
Kent Doepel
though but it was also it was great talking to you and definitely down to come back on it you know anytime you want. So definitely think folder to be you’re talking with you about that ball
Tyler Turner
football. Awesome, man. I appreciate it and go check us up his stuff out west coast CFP, um I shared on my page all the time they do great covering analytics grades for the week, how everything’s stacking up in the back wall so it’s awesome having you guys on and and let’s go Doc’s.
Man. There we go. Like 1000 Clint doble from West Coast CFP. I am going to we saw he did a pretty good job covering the PAC 12. So I am now gonna leak into the big 10 I don’t have much time left for about 20 minutes. But I think this week in the big 10 I’ll quickly go through last week’s game. Gay Games. Sorry, it’s getting late. I can’t even talk appropriately. I’m just kind of briefly go over last week’s games. Indiana beat Michigan State 24 to nothing another impressive win for Indiana defense looking very good. oftens doing enough. Nebraska gets off the snake. They win their first game over Penn State 3223 Penn State They’re a team owned for Has anyone under not lived up to expectations. At the level of Penn State. This is a top 10 team. So people thought it was a dark horse cultural playoff team. Mike Parsons did opt out. But I still thought they were good. But then when Jerry Brown who obviously had to retire to to his health problems, was not able to play this year and then no Acadian to pin her. That was the one I thought was the best running backfield in the in the big 10. But they have not been able to run the ball at all. And they’ve struggled on both sides of the ball and there’s just not a very good team. So though and for Illinois beats Rutgers, the first victory of the Year for Illinois. That’s bad of two very good teams, most rostering for know what an impressive turnaround for Pat Fitzgerald and his guys, I knew he’d be able to do it. I knew he’s just a good coach, and he has a great program and a great culture. And he’s turned them around this week. They play Wisconsin, Wisconsin 39 to 11. Over Michigan, it was at Michigan, I know there’s no fans, but my goodness is Michigan. Okay, today’s scarf is pretty good. They had to pull it off outbreak missed two games with two games this season. I personally don’t think Wisconsin is going to lose again this year. I think they’re a team. I thought they had kind of a nice schedule to begin with. And I think they’re undefeated. Going into the Ohio State game, who I think is going to be undefeated on commission Michigan one and three or Jim Harbaugh on the seat, hot seat. I knew Michigan I had a feeling Michigan was not going to be get good this year. They have not recruited as well. They lost a lot of guys last largesse the draft and a lot of guys too early draft their pre injury. They had a couple of really key players opt out, Nikko Collins and Bree Jones. But I thought it would be better than this and they beat Minnesota up a week but I was like Minnesota’s not very good. And they are not very good. Minnesota is one three or I missed that game. Sorry. I missed that game on Friday night. Minnesota gets run by Iowa 35 to seven. Um, so Minnesota was very good, but Michigan’s not very good. And to think that Minnesota, Michigan and Penn State were all rated the top 25 cert the big 10 season. They all combined to intent. And they’re not good teams. The bad on defense battle offense. And I do not see the light at the end of the tunnel for either those two teams. Freaking sorry.
Don’t you have Indiana Northwestern who I think very few people including myself, well actually I’d like to pat myself on the back. I thought Indiana was going to be five or three I thought Indiana was going to be one of the better teams in the east. I did think that they were being a little bit under served by the media. And I was okay. I was right. I liked things about their defense. I like peace like Michael peenics, who I think is a was a pretty good looking young quarterback when we’ve seen him in in high school actually recruited him. I thought through some good things I like to like Tom Allen as a coach, as I remember Danny, pretty good team last year, remember the play Tennessee in the bowl game. And I thought they were pretty impressive should have won that game. I liked some things about Indiana. And behold, they are undefeated. And that leads us to this week, where the Big Game of the Week, Ohio State against Indiana, it’s all set once again, not a big difference. And when I say it’s a big difference, like literally it’s not a big difference to four weeks 24 home games, victories by the home team 13 victories by the road team that’s less than 50% win percentage by the home team. Really because of lack of fans there really it doesn’t matter. These are neutral site games this year. And I was wondering how it was going to be. But through four weeks of data, I’m convinced that it’s pretty much going to be a neutral site type game. So it doesn’t really matter. I still don’t I don’t see how he was going to be all state and Ohio State whereas there has been some questions like their defense the first three games in the season. I remember the three teams that played was Nebraska, Nebraska, Rutgers and Penn State are doing this off the top of my head but I think that is a combined two and eight. So they’re not exactly played murders roll and they have given up some points. Give them some yards especially and into Nebraska they have yards enforced fencing and even two Raptors on their number one defensive efficiency and Indiana is better than those teams in Indiana. I think even has even though it is offense has not always been as consistent as for defense as I still think Indiana will be able to put up some points on allow state. Um, but I man is no matter how good Indiana has been I just have a hard time seeing anyone really soften that Ohio State offense. And they would in order to beat him You have to be able to score and I don’t think any Aqa score at that level at a glance as defense is good enough. The next game is Michigan State versus Maryland. Maryland has been good has been impressive, a look terrible record in the last two games against not very good teams, but to get good victories. I think I think it’d be Michigan State Michigan State beat Michigan was really very good. But other than that Michigan State has not been very good. They have not good at all offense, turning the ball over. Obviously last Rutgers they also they got 49 to seven to I will will several turnovers once again 24 to nothing. They’re an offensive deficient team. And I’m going to take Maryland in that game because Maryland is not offensive deficient and Toluca. Talladega is a very impressive quarterback so far early in the season. Now really game happened Maryland had the game canceled last weekend Ohio State due to covid break on the team I heard they serve some issues. That game is still a question mark, Illinois, Nebraska Illinois got the slide I liked some things with Nebraska they took out Adrian Martinez put in Dylan McCaffrey I thought they looked a little bit better they got jumped out through huge lead then they did kind of the I guess I thought they won the game and that game got close. Penn State actually added in the redzone at the end of the game, they’re able to pull get a stop. I do think get that victory gets over the hump. I do think Nebraska wins. I think Nebraska is better this year. They look better against Ohio State. They obviously won’t last a week two games over with Russians pretty good. And that was a close game. They only lost by seven that gave an A chance to tie at the end. So I think Nebraska is better. I think they’re more of a 500 level team in the big 10 this year so I picked them to beat Illinois. I will at Penn State
oh my goodness 10 state seven good and I was look pretty good last two weeks they have a pretty good defense. their defenses the big 10 and and in a good enough offense. I will take I I just seems like Penn State is kind of checked out. Maybe even the head coach checked out sure to hear rumblings about him going to USC. Who knows. I just think I’m gonna take a lie when that came. Next Big Game Wisconsin versus Northwestern I need to wear this game wins the rest. Now Wisconsin ran out breaking had two games canceled. They cannot miss another game. If they miss another game. They do not do not have a chance to win the West. Which would be unfortunate because I think they’re the best team in the West. I think they’d be northwell stroom. I think it’s a good game. But I love what Wisconsin’s doing on defense, the number one defense in their first two games as far as efficiency, not great offenses have played but either Northwestern is a great offense either. And I think they’re kind of same stylistically. I just think Wisconsin’s better I think what Scott ramberg says a good quarterback. He said some good things. I think Wisconsin’s a little better offense. And I think that that defense is so good that I think growth was good trouble utilize any real offense. I liked the game. I think there it’s kind of it’s very satisfying. Like I said the same. I’m going to take Wisconsin, I like Brammertz I like that defense. I like that offensive line once again, one of the best offensive lines of college football. I think they win again. Michigan versus Rutgers I guess it’s a Miskin. Rutgers did win a game this year but they’re still really have some talent issues. But why Gosh, Michigan guys. Can someone tell me what’s happened in Michigan? I mean, I know their loss in pieces but they are not good. They’re not good defensively. Their secondaries terrible. their offices not good. They can’t run the ball. If they have trouble passing for several years. They continue to Milton. People are like, man, he’s looking good and camp. He’s not look good this year. I remember even the first game minister was like, Man Norton see him? We call them like, what do you do he I mean, a ran on terrible Minnesota z, who’s turned out to be really bad. But actually, I missed the Friday night game. Keep on doing this Purdue versus Minnesota. Um, that’s about Friday night games. I’m gonna take Hurry, produce three good. They’re not bad. I don’t think they’re amazing, but I think they’re a decent team. And I just think this is really good. So it’s gonna be interesting to see this homestretch in the big tab.
I really do think Take it out of St. Wisconsin, I think is his elite team. I think Wisconsin is a team that if all things fall, well in place, they missed two games. So they’re gonna only be played seven games. So six plus two, one knock on wood, they have no more COVID outbreaks, or that they have the unfortunate arm happening of like, date, good. That’s the other control, like there may be are gonna play Iowa and Iowa as a covid outbreak. So then they have to cancel the game. And then they cannot miss one more game in order to be eligible for the big 10 West title. Because I think Wisconsin is the only team that I still think athletically, they’re not up to the par of Ohio State. But they still that’s a good culture as a well coached team. If grammars can continue to play at this level that he was regarded as approved, top 100 player. Who knows, like I said, Ohio State defensively there has been some weaknesses. So if they’re able to go out there, if they’re able to make some plays, with grammars making some plays, and that defense, which is the best defense as far as efficiency, they’re able to maybe cause just the viewer to make a couple turnovers. first couple turnovers. They’re the one team in the big 10 that could upset Ohio State. I don’t see anyone else doing it. I don’t think anyone’s even close to the same level. But if one team could and then Wisconsin if you’re undefeated in Daybreak causal path, even if they only play seven games, seven games, they win the big 10 beat Ohio State. I think that’s enough to win the big 10. So I’m curious your homestretch. We already talked about Pac 12, obviously, with Kindle, and I covered both. I’m curious. Just see the homestretch for both these conferences. The big thing with both these conferences that got started late, can they finish it off this year? Are they gonna be able to finish all their games? You’re seeing through cancellations? I believe in the big 10 about the same in the PAC 12. It’s obviously the tough time of year, the SEC has been just ravages cancellations and postponements. I think I think there’s a move in the ACC they had to postpone some games. Big 12 weeks to end not too bad. But itself and obviously when you start right remember those other conferences ACC was starting to be in September. I think it was the beginning of September for the big 12 sec was the end of September and it but then you have the end of October and the beginning of November for that Pac 12 and the big 10 so they’re just like giving themselves very limited leeway, they cannot miss really very many games to consider themselves really a threat. I mean the back to alive he really has one team that possibly could go undefeated and threaten for playoffs and that’s Oregon. No one else I I not USC but not gonna look good enough and I think they’re gonna lose game and the big 10 I really did get to Ohio State but Wisconsin even despite losing two games, they’re the one team that lost the quality upset fish seven and now and I think that’d be enough to get them into the college football. WEF. Folks, check us out once again on iTunes. sportscaster give us a like, subscribe. leave us a review. Check us out on Twitter, do the same thing. Comment on my show. Tell me you tell me how much are you like it and we will talk Pac 12 Big 10 big weekend the big 10 couple games in the PAC 12 kid double from West Coast College Football. He was on here tonight. And that was terrific to have him on here. Anyways guys, have a good night and talk to you next week.
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