Chatting with Scott Schabel of Mass Custome Lidz in Ohio about Ohio State.
Tyler Turner: @TurnerCast
Tyler Turner 0:31
Welcome to the Tyler Turner show presented by the sports cast today’s date to December January 5 2021. If you haven’t yet, please subscribe and all our channels on YouTube, Periscope, Apple podcasts. And if you’re on Apple podcasts, please leave a rating and review. It’ll help us out tremendously. Visit us at the sport cast dotnet. Also follow us on Twitter at sports cast dot one and check out our app the sports cast it is in the iOS App Store. Well today we are here to talk about the big 10 championship. We’re here to talk about that is the national championship. championship games gonna be coming up at college football playoff just happened. And obviously this has been a crazy season. I wouldn’t say this is the season that I did I enjoy a lot to remember,
Scott Schabel 1:28
my team wasn’t in the finals. I didn’t want to remember it either.
Tyler Turner 1:32
So first introduce my guests. It’s on the other end Scott’s novel. He is part of the talk about your company a little bit mask cups and lids. Yeah, we build custom lids in Centerville, Ohio. So tell me about that.
Scott Schabel 1:45
Yeah, we’re just building custom helmets for people. A lot of guys trade replica helmets with some ink on them because they drool over the autograph. We’re trying to build authentic helmets to where it looks like it’s game ready to wear for your favorite team and they play in the Rose Bowl. Say Oregon. We build you that Chrome helmet with those wings with a little rainbow chrome on it, you know like they were in that Rose Bowl. And we just try to build something super authentic so that when you get it and put it on your shelf, it looks like it’s a game worn helmet and it looks like it’s your team legit all the way to the last little decal last little bumper.
Tyler Turner 2:13
I landed on that for
Scott Schabel 2:15
started last January. So one year now.
Tyler Turner 2:18
Ah sweet man. Well, who’s your number one customer base?
Scott Schabel 2:21
niche market. All diehard Buckeye fans, these guys send me pictures of their basement and their whole basement is just covered in jerseys and helmets and memorabilia. So not a lot of guys want to pay the top dollar for these helmets because they’re pretty expensive. But the guys that do are big collectors.
Tyler Turner 2:38
What do you what is the cost for that Wolfpack
Scott Schabel 2:41
flex picture that I sent you the ones that guys wore for 2017 against Penn State? That was 12 $100. I sold that one for Oh, nice. Yeah.
Tyler Turner 2:50
How many of these you do roughly in a year or two? I got
Scott Schabel 2:54
it for currently going right now. I think in this last year. It was mostly my first year trying to start up I think we probably sold about 30 helmets.
Tyler Turner 3:01
Oh, yeah. Oh, nice, ma’am.
Scott Schabel 3:04
And the lowest ones about 650. And this is kind of like a side gig right? Yeah, this is just side cash. second job when I my spare time basically, which I have not have with being married with three kids and one on the way.
Tyler Turner 3:17
Thank you. So anyhow, Scott is from Centerville, Ohio, as I said and like he said he is his niche markets Buckeye. So yes, the reason why I have him on today is I if we’re going to talk a lot of state, we’re gonna talk a lot of state Ohio State. I cover on my channel I cover big 10 and Pac 12. Pac fill. Unfortunately, this isn’t over. We’ll talk about that. Maybe, maybe I will at the end here when Scott might have to go. I’ll talk about the PAC 12. They didn’t have much of a urine talk to talk about. But the big 10 actually didn’t have much of a year. And it when I first started the show actually neither conference I started back started up on the shell probably was it probably the end of September beginning of October.
Scott Schabel 4:04
Yeah, we were in the same boat then weren’t we? both conferences canceled?
Tyler Turner 4:08
Yeah, I for some reason. I have a feeling that when I actually started this show up, I believe it was the week that that big 10 it started back up and I believe the next week the PAC 12 dead. I believe it was I believe it was the Monday after because I probably wouldn’t be what’s the reason to do a show if you’re not gonna season right? Could have been a winter season. There are some ridiculous ideas going out there. But luckily they were able to get the season going. I personally think and I’ve talked about a lot on on my shelf. Most individuals that I’ve had on here, the first big 10 centric guy or person I’ve talked to people I’ve had on my show I’ve been actually West Coast so you’re the first
Scott Schabel 4:52
big 10 awesome. Pleasure to come aboard.
Tyler Turner 4:55
Yeah, with West Coast for a while now. Now I go to Midwest, which is good. Wasn’t the sky, the left coast for quite a few years, but you know,
Scott Schabel 5:05
they’re the heart of America or the armpit, whichever you want to say.
Tyler Turner 5:12
It’s where I’m from. I’m bright. I didn’t take either conference. It was really great ball this year. And it’s it’s really tough to say that it was really tough to have a good season in either conference, because first of all, COVID season was weird to begin with. Then second of all, of course, the commissioners and the little presidents canceled or postponed. And then teams have sent players home. And then several teams actually ended up having several players opt out of the patch. Well, most of them stayed out the big 10 a little more guys come back in. Yes, I think they got going just soon enough. said their best guys come back in.
Scott Schabel 6:00
We were happy Wyatt Davis came back and we were real pumped about Shawn Wade coming back. And then now that we’ve seen Shawn Wade play this season, man has his draft draft stock fell. He’s got himself millions by playing this season. He is rated Yeah, he’s a better Nickelback than an outside back. Yeah, really.
Tyler Turner 6:17
Okay, so so so since we’re going to Ohio State, since we’re talking specifically via, um, so I’ll say 60 ml. Um, this is my opinion on a lot of state. I picked Ohio State when I did. Um, so I have a form that I’ve been to California that I’ve created on the sports cast. I Ohio State and the third best roster and college football based upon baseline talent. I thought they had some of the most production on offense coming back in notch the big 10. But in the country, I am
Scott Schabel 6:49
constantly wanting to
Tyler Turner 6:51
know, I know 101 Yeah, so I say one, because I believe that they have the most production coming back on the offensive side of the ball. I bet Clemson was close actually, bam has been better than I thought they were. I actually should have known but I thought that maybe gonna be more and actually the fourth range. I think my preseason rankings are they got Ohio State one, Clemson, two, three, Georgia. I think Georgia was three the day and Jamie Newman opt out at that time Jamie Newman was supposed to play. And that was a bit that was obviously a big loss for them. And then Alabama for but Alabama ends up being number one and probably have the best overall regular season. Ohio State obviously, when the season got canceled, I think it was Ohio State more than anyone else call it in the big 10 and Pac 12 that people are like football. Because we’re like Ohio State’s the one team that I like I said, They’re my preseason number one. So that was the right team that you’re like, man, you’ve just canceled the season of a playoff team. Right. So when they came back, they really got the benefit of the doubt. And I think they should have. Yeah, to be honest with you. I don’t think Ohio State was very good during the regular season. They looked as if they had started late. They looked as if they had settled. Yes. So here’s cancel with COVID. And if they weren’t Ohio State, and if they didn’t have the preseason pause that they’re
Scott Schabel 8:24
getting. Right. I don’t think Ohio State regarding plan if they didn’t have that name brand, they would not forgotten then
Tyler Turner 8:31
it was just I don’t think it’s just the name brand. I think it was the fact that you guys had Justin fields. The fact that you have the third best roster pause football, the fact the fact that you were last year. I mean, it was the top three teams. Yes. LSU. Ohio State, Clemson and I think Ohio State was better than Clemson. Yes, I
Scott Schabel 8:48
think we should have we should have won that game. And I think we would have lost LSU in the finals. But we should have beat Clemson last year for sure. You never know what happened the finals but yeah.
Tyler Turner 8:58
If anyone was going to beat LSU it was going to be called Ellis is going to be saved because he had to chase him in the outside.
Scott Schabel 9:08
Tyler Turner 9:08
for it. Shawn Wade was great as in Nicole Ray, you had Harrison who was one of the better linebackers of college football. Who was a kid that ended up going to the Raiders. So you are now one corner you had a Kudo at another you had Shawn Wade, and then you had a good linebacker and he had one of the best, most elite. You have the hands down the most elite pass rusher in football.
Scott Schabel 9:35
We had a real underrated safety too. And fuller who’s been playing real well for the Rams this season.
Tyler Turner 9:39
Yeah, so I mean, yeah, so so he had the best offensive backfield and in college football and get the best edge rusher if someone was going to slow down Joe burrow. It was going to be Ohio State right now. gotten his his his his his his points. And the question was, well, Justin fields be a little better than he was against clubs when he was injured, he wasn’t able to move around quite as well. That was why he wants to Clemson right Honestly, I think
Scott Schabel 10:08
Dobbins Dobbins ankle injury was huge against Clemson he was ripping Clemson apart until they hurt his ankle. And I think Clemson plays a little bit dirty now and then because that Dobbins they twisted his ankle torque this ankle. You saw Christian Wilkins before with a little little finger on the ground and just all sorts of stuff. guys get thrown out retargeting every year. Yeah, somewhat of a borderline dirty team.
Tyler Turner 10:30
Yeah, yeah, I respect them. But I don’t see I think the reason why you lost is because, from my perspective, the reason why you lost was while you made some bad mistakes, but I just didn’t think Justin fields with his knee injury was effective as a runner. Right? I mean, you see how effective he is? Well, hopefully he’s fine from that. He got hit again. That was a 30 hit.
Scott Schabel 10:56
Yeah, the helmet 100%. If that’s not targeting, then there’s no targeting rule in college football. That’s not targeting. My buddy that worked today was trying to say but it’s head to the side. And I showed him a steel frame photo of it and I was like, tell me that has to decide. He’s like it’s not to the side. That’s like That’s right, buddy. I was like I played hockey the hockey put one in let you do that. Hockey lets you get away with a lot more than football and you can hit people.
Tyler Turner 11:17
I’ll give it to you. I I personally, I’m a I play ball. I play. I play a Liberty out nice goes on. Hey, they be Coastal Carolina, and they’re Morgan. But I was a defensive guy. So like to me,
Scott Schabel 11:32
you’re borderline lean towards defense. I’m hockey. So most big hits. I’m just like as a
good head. Take that be a man but
when I saw that crown of the helmet like that, I was like wow, like that was like almost like a spirit him.
Tyler Turner 11:44
Don’t ever do was he got how bad? How bad is the injury supposed to be for fields. He got
Scott Schabel 11:49
a couple of cortisone shots at halftime and they have not updated on the injury but Ryan day so that he will definitely play. So now we’re just gonna see how mobile he is and how much of a threat he will be to Alabama and how you can keep the defense when he runs.
Tyler Turner 12:02
Man because that I mean, like I said, I think that’s why they lost last year to Clemson he just couldn’t run
Scott Schabel 12:08
the red zone. The Red Zone last year killed us over four in the red zone. Where’s Clemson?
Tyler Turner 12:14
And, you know what, I guarantee you if he was had the mobility, you would have an offer for you. Right? He got a couple in,
Scott Schabel 12:20
Dobbins touchdown, where they call it a fumble when he went across the goal line. They said Oh, he didn’t possess it to the ground. And there’s a couple of calls that comes to game last year. I was like, wow, like we should have been known for for in the red zone. But we were
Tyler Turner 12:30
Yeah, I mean, I think
Scott Schabel 12:32
that really lost so you can’t get in the red zone and just kick field goals and miss opportunities. You got touchdowns.
Tyler Turner 12:37
Yeah, there was too bad because I really do think that was the better game against LSU. I knew Clemson was good. I’m like
Scott Schabel 12:42
I didn’t get though raised. Yeah.
Tyler Turner 12:48
That’s a good, good way to put it. Oh, it’s also against Alabama. You played Alabama obviously is had a terrific season. I believe I’ll top my head. They’re 12. And oh, did they get 12 games in? Are the 11
Scott Schabel 13:01
games sick? They got 11 I’m not sure it might be 12 to play
Tyler Turner 13:05
for 1112 and all didn’t have a close game all season. The closest game was in Florida. Right? They were had the entire game. What do you think about matchup?
Scott Schabel 13:16
I think there’s a lot of parallels to 2014 when everybody said that there’s no way we can beat Bama. And they got Derrick Henry. And they have Mr. Cooper. Well, now they have devonta Smith and Nagi Harris, and we can’t beat them again. Same as 2014. And they’re two different teams. But there’s a lot of parallels between this this year and that year. I think the difference right now for Alabama is Matt Jones is a much better quarterback than they had 2014 I remember the quarterbacks name in 2014. That’s how bad he was.
Tyler Turner 13:41
I believe it was six Sims.
Scott Schabel 13:48
It might have been Yes, Jeff senator, but yes. I couldn’t remember his name. That’s how bad he was and actually a lot better than he is. So that’s the factor. I think they’ll be a little different. I think in the Notre Dame game, I think there’s a line pushed Alabama around before the score got to where Notre Dame had to abandon the run game. When they were running the ball. And I was watching I admit in the second quarter I decide to take a nap before the knockout games. I just knew that I was just gonna get throttled by the end of the game. But at the beginning the game that Notre Dame Li was putting out there was the line around pretty pretty good and I was like this bodes real well for the Ohio State offensive line.
Tyler Turner 14:23
Yeah, um so let’s talk about some matchups what I like to say what I like for both teams and what I dislike and you can agree or disagree. I like I’m all for so for for Alabama, Alabama on offense has it has guys I mean, right. Whether it be devante Smith, I’ve heard geralyn wattle might be back yet right.
Scott Schabel 14:47
It was seen at practice and you could be available that’s bad because I feel like seven banks might be able to cover demonte Smith for the most part, but I feel like Shawn Wade has been a weakness on the outside and if you have, you know, demonte Smith and john A little while back, who covers Which one? You know, you got seven banks on one of them who covers the other guy. It’s not a good matchup for Ohio State and our safeties. Right now we had Marcus hooker who was a great cleanup guy, little brother and multicooker, the Indianapolis Star that’s been injured. He’s been a great cleanup guy and really underrated I think and made a lot of hard tackles made a lot of pass breakups. He’s been hurt the last few games we’ve been playing Josh Proctor. Josh Proctor is an absolute liability, his pursuit angles is tackling. It’s just horrible. He’s a liability back there. So we really hope that mark is lookers back for that game
Tyler Turner 15:31
is his Proctor freshmen.
Scott Schabel 15:34
I think he’s a sophomore. He’s the one that real big hit on the Wisconsin quarterback at the end of the big 10 championship like last year, whatever. Without on the sideline, that big hit where Brutus covered his eyes. It was all over it went viral video. He made a big on the quarterback but his pursuit angles come up as a safety in the run game. They’ve been bad all year. And I mean anytime he’s in, it’s like wow, like I could play it better than that. Well, I
Tyler Turner 15:54
think I think part of the problem has been it when it comes to defense in general what I saw in the PAC 12 and the big 10 I think to just the late start I just I saw it more than anything was well first of all, you didn’t have spring ball. Second of all you had the late start the late the small, the shorter camps. I thought defensively teams have not looked very sharp.
Scott Schabel 16:15
Right like communication. The tackling is just not as good this year.
Tyler Turner 16:18
Just not as good as tackling Yeah. Does. Communications the back ends of defense. Is it like you said like the defensive backfield have just not looked too strong. What I liked about Ohio State last game, so I would have said I didn’t I wasn’t that impressed with your defensive line through most of the season.
Scott Schabel 16:34
Last game. They were on fire, weren’t they?
Tyler Turner 16:36
tyreke Smith Cooper, all I believe Zack Harrison is is getting around there. Yeah, Haskell Garrett you
Scott Schabel 16:46
as a crazy story. And you know his story.
Tyler Turner 16:49
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. shot on top. Tommy Toby. I was very good. And so I just thought overall, your defensive line played very well. Yeah. I thought that your offensive line played? Well, I thought your back end played played well enough. Right. I mean, they made some plays back there. But your back end was not bad. And Devin
Scott Schabel 17:11
banks has been good at getting around and knocking the ball down and I can pass interferences, if you notice he’s been he’s been on his man, but he’s able to reach around and bat the ball down without going to pass interference. And I like that.
Tyler Turner 17:21
And he’s a foreigner opposite to shoot to wade right? Yes. Yeah. And then obviously, your run game on offense has been well, yeah,
Scott Schabel 17:31
tracer. tracer has been spectacular.
tracer from Oklahoma. Yeah. And I was hype about that. I tried look as highlights up and I realized he was injured to be higher. And I was like, Okay, let’s get back another year. And I’ll just highlight that from that year. And I was like, wow, this guy’s kind of a milestone. I’m expecting big things from him. And then as the season started, like you said, with the COVID, the no rhythm, there wasn’t much going on. And I thought man going from beanie wells to Carlos Hyde to Zeke Elliott to JK Dobbins to Trey sermon and new whoever we have now I thought we’re gonna have a good rush game. And that was should be in the season. I thought this is probably the worst rushing attack we’ve had in years. But now that he’s learned the offense a little bit, they’ve got a little bit of rhythm. He looks like a monster. 524 yards in the last two games, two games. Best in a two game standing LSU history.
Tyler Turner 18:15
And that’s, yeah, like you said you’ve had some of the best running backs ever in college football. I’m Eddie George. I mean, right.
Scott Schabel 18:23
Ridiculous. It was Keith Byers.
Tyler Turner 18:26
Yeah. And and then wonder who won the two huysmans in a row. Kathy was a MMA fan, Archie Griffin. Archie Griffin, there you go. So So and then on the outside, you have some of the best I make a baseline perspective. I actually think Ohio says the best wide receiver group in the country. Now you’re not you’re not playing a lot of your best wide receivers. Well, I mean, to say that you’re playing your bet you’re playing some very good wide receivers I’m just saying you have some really highly on the pitch. We have Julian Fleming who was the number one wide receiver in the country
Scott Schabel 19:01
and jigga only gets a few snaps a game he’s a highly recruited receiver gee Scott Jr.
I’m glad you know that is
Tyler Turner 19:10
do I know everyone? I love I
Scott Schabel 19:12
love me some cheese Scott. I tell my brother every weekend Why have we not seen g Scott in the game yet?
Tyler Turner 19:17
Now? Yeah, monkey Cooper here. We hit the portal didn’t it? I think so. Yeah, I
Scott Schabel 19:21
Tyler Turner 19:22
So Cooper hit the portal is is Cameron van plan at all? It has he got any play at all. He hasn’t got any playing time yet. Okay,
Scott Schabel 19:30
so I think we’re so loaded at wide receiver they’re just so deep that that wide receiver room it’s just it’s hard to get any playing time.
Tyler Turner 19:36
That’s crazy because Bab was the band coming out he was one of the top performers at elite 11 back in 2018.
Scott Schabel 19:43
Walker had two touchdowns on against Clemson the tight end kind of breaks the stigma that I was using either tight ends and Rucker was the Gatorade Player of the Year in high school coming out in New York. Now we have a highly recruited tight end and he knows about number one rated tight end your other
Tyler Turner 19:57
tight ends not bad guy either.
Scott Schabel 19:59
Yay. Six, six. The other one. Yeah, it’s a big body.
Tyler Turner 20:02
Pilates prop one of the best receivers in the country you so silky smooth. Garrett Wilson, who was the top rated wide receiver coming out. You have Jamison Williams who was a 10 five track guy.
Scott Schabel 20:14
He got a deep ball against Clemson. That was nice. I was like, Who is that? I was like, okay, but Williams and he doesn’t get many play
Tyler Turner 20:20
a little bit. I do that actually. Because he was he was a top recruit for Oregon coming out of high school. Okay, actually, yeah. So but Williams said he’s a he’s a he can fly. But he does drop the ball a little bit. Yeah, he’s a little bit. he’s
Scott Schabel 20:35
a he’s a burner, but his hands are inconsistent.
Tyler Turner 20:37
He can fly. Crystal always if he’s otherwise one crystal on it. Yeah,
Scott Schabel 20:42
he’s good. Yeah, the story on how I say Got him. You probably did. He’s from the west coast,
Tyler Turner 20:48
for sure. He’s a three star kid out of it was at Senate, Santa Dino, California.
Scott Schabel 20:53
And they went to recruit another player. They weren’t even the recruiting alaba. And they saw a lot of practice. And they said, I gotta have this guy. This guy’s good. Who is this
Tyler Turner 21:00
was going to go to UCLA. Yeah. Ready to commit to UCLA. And then Ohio State all of a sudden went hard on him. And I remember following his recruitment, he was all I mean, it was like UCLA has him Dallas Cowboy. And what a pickup that would have been for UCLA, and then obviously start trending in the crystal ball on a feature by 247 sports and all of a sudden, there’s no crystal Ave. To say and he’s been fun. He’s been Yeah,
Scott Schabel 21:27
I love me some Garrett Wilson at the beginning of the year, Garrett Wilson was Mr. mover of chains. And that Clemson game that feels to that deep ball to him at the beginning and third down and he looked over his right shoulder and it went over his left shoulder and instead of trying to look over his left shoulder and refund the ball, he just kind of fell backwards and caught it I tell my wife was like that’s a much harder cash in that boy just made that look like
Tyler Turner 21:45
yeah, so so so a good matchup is gonna be now I love Alabama’s defensive backfield.
Scott Schabel 21:53
Tyler Turner 21:54
he’s one of the best quarterbacks in college that was in the NFL if
Scott Schabel 21:57
Tyler Turner 21:58
you know? Sure. top top top 10 pick will be so tan you got Josh Joby us a big time guy you have that battle Jordan battle is one of the best safeties.
Scott Schabel 22:12
Right and in that 14 game they had Landon Collins, and there’s a lot of parallels with these two games. Remember Landon Collins was their safety and 14
Tyler Turner 22:18
now I think Alabama This is my opinion. I think Alabama is much better. Yeah, I think this Alabama team is much better than that at 14 Yeah, I think the 14 team had a really good defense but the 14 team does is not does not have it. The 14 team had Amari Cooper, but this is devante Smith, this is Nadia Harris.
This is wild again back you
guys like men, she you got so many guys that they they’re able to utilize and you see Sarkeesian calling the place. They didn’t have lane, Lane Kiffin, but the bigger thing is you have Matt Jones, who’s just a much better quarterback way
Scott Schabel 22:56
better than Sims. Yeah, yeah. Saban Saban said before the year he alluded, he said in college football, the illusion of the game. He said it’s almost impossible to stop anybody anymore. He just had to score the other team. So you see an Alabama has really ramped it up on offense. They’re not the defensive squad. They used to be they’re more worried about offense. Now, Saban alluded to that before the season he said you can’t stop anybody anymore. And that came after that Clemson spanking.
Tyler Turner 23:17
Now I tell us my buddy, he’s the other contributor Justin Riley’s probably listening right now on the sports guys. He’s the bandwidth guy Alabama graduate. He does. He does a completely Bama centric podcast. Alabama has a good defense. Oh, yeah.
Scott Schabel 23:32
Now cousin is on the brochure of the Alabama program and then gives the incoming football players tours. She’s already there.
Tyler Turner 23:39
But but I’m gonna I’m gonna make a misnomer right now. They say that Alabama does not have a good defenses here. That’s not true. Right? You have the number five most efficient defense according to Team efficiency. I think for the number 16 according to the SP plus by Bill Conway, Connolly. They have guys like Tim Anderson, on some names escaping me right now. They’ve guys that you get after the quarterback. They have like elite defensive backs.
Scott Schabel 24:10
They’ve always had a defense full of NFL Draft draft picks every year.
Tyler Turner 24:14
So you hear the kind of spiel out there. It’s like Alabama’s defense is not good this year. That’s Yeah,
Scott Schabel 24:19
that’s it. I know.
Tyler Turner 24:25
I would take Alabama’s defense over a lot of states. Yeah. Even though you guys
Scott Schabel 24:32
I was gonna say against Clemson. I don’t know who you take. But during the year yeah, the eye test. We did not pass the eye test in the regular season. You guys look terrible.
Tyler Turner 24:40
You did not look good against Indiana. You’re right off again. Oh, I
Scott Schabel 24:44
didn’t Northwestern and look good. Ivy. We were losing 10 six at halftime and against Northwestern.
Tyler Turner 24:49
We often say to yourself watching us actually look as Okay, yeah, Penske. You gave up some plays, especially in the past game. Right.
Scott Schabel 24:59
I think that’s Gerald has a decent squad and underrated. Pat Fitzgerald hired a coach at Northwestern really underrated. Everybody’s like you should have blown Northwestern out. I was like their defense is better than you think it is. Well,
Tyler Turner 25:10
what happened this year with the big 10 was you saw the teams that were really good. They were very well coached. Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern, Kirk friends in Iowa,
Scott Schabel 25:22
they adapted and overcame and Tom Allen in Indiana,
Tyler Turner 25:25
they were able to utilize kind of the season to their advantage where you saw the more talented teams, but the more combustible tees I had guys go opt out there guys had to the draft and stuff. Right. Michigan, Penn State, Wisconsin, they weren’t as good this year. So I
Scott Schabel 25:43
think Parsons is the best linebacker in the nation. he opted out for Penn State.
Tyler Turner 25:47
Yeah. firearm, you’d have to opt out many opted back in and back out. He’s a monster, Minnesota was not as good and they’re crazier. So like other than Ohio State, all the other kind of top 45 the perennial top 45 to Penn State, they were very good this year. Now, so so so that who took advantage of that Northwestern Iowa, in Indiana, and so that was kind of the big 10 season. You guys had that title? No one was good.
Scott Schabel 26:18
Tyler Turner 26:19
They did have one good team won the PAC 12. But no one I mean,
Scott Schabel 26:25
trust me it wasn’t it by default because Arizona State couldn’t play in the game or stuff like that, because it COVID now my buddy’s a big Oregon fan he was telling me is like Oregon gets to go now he’s all excited. And I was like, how’s
Tyler Turner 26:33
that? Well, okay, it was washed knows Washington. And, and to be honest with you, that’s a little bit of a false narrative. Because Washington and Oregon we’re gonna play and the winner was going to go to the north,
Scott Schabel 26:46
and then COVID cancelled it.
Tyler Turner 26:48
COVID cancelled Washington. So then Washington was declared the winner, even though they were going to play for the North. Right. And so then Washington could play in the championship here. So they know. So it really wasn’t what we were choosing? No, it was stupid. And then USC, I guess, was the highest rated team promotes the year there were any good? No, no, no,
Scott Schabel 27:11
they got a couple of good players every year, like I’ll take a receiver from I’ll take, you know, take a D lineman from there an offensive tackle from them. But it’s a complete team. They’re not they’re not that good. It’s not about the talent.
Tyler Turner 27:21
It’s just the fact that they’re not very, they’re very, not very well coached. They have one of the most diminutive coaches in college football. So it’s kind of it’s kind of unfortunate, because actually, well, not fortunate. I can’t say personally on a personal level, I shouldn’t buy this on my shelf, but I’m not a huge UFC fan. Now, that being said, USC is one of the most storied programs they have probably more national titles. And I’d pretty much anyone out there in Alabama,
Scott Schabel 27:47
about 10 years ago that were going to USC every year was a great matchup. I look forward to staying up late watching those games when when we’re getting first at Chip Kelly, and they were playing USC and they were always playing for the PAC 12 championship. I was like, this is a good game when Oregon plays USC, I
Tyler Turner 28:00
like this. Honestly, up until a decade ago, it was USC and everyone else and then Oregon Chip Kelly came along and then Oregon kind of became Yeah, now it’s been why she’s been Oregon’s bit the better
Scott Schabel 28:14
thing in the west for the most part of the last decade.
Tyler Turner 28:17
Yeah, Washington had some good teams, decent teams, but yeah, for the most part, it’s been
Scott Schabel 28:22
when they lost their coach I really liked Chris Asher was it was named Chris Asheville.
Tyler Turner 28:25
Chris Peterson. Peterson. I
Scott Schabel 28:27
really liked him and Asheville coach.
Tyler Turner 28:31
taxes, didn’t he?
Scott Schabel 28:33
I think he did. He went somewhere. To Tom Herman. Herman Herman went to Texas. I can’t remember Ashlyn.
Tyler Turner 28:39
No any follow there?
Yeah, he did. Well, he’s probably fired. Herman unless Sarkeesian decides to keep him um, but so back to the game so who so so not to get off track a little bit so so you’re are you picking?
Scott Schabel 28:54
I am. I didn’t feel that great going to the Clemson game because I was like, man, we haven’t really shown any rhythm yet. We haven’t shown you know, like what we can do yet. I know what the talents there. Like you said the roster, the talents great. We ever really put it together yet. And I chalked it up to COVID no rhythm and everybody’s saying, oh, he only played six games, you’re more fresh than Clemson. And I thought these are 18 to 21 year old athletes in the best shape of their lives. It’s not about being fresh. And actually I thought Clemson had the advantage because they had more games to establish a rhythm. Yeah, and get more you know the communication and get in the groove of things. Ohio State kept stalling and the wheels kept spinning the mud games getting canceled left and right. Then you could practice one week and different stuff. And so I just thought I was like Clemson has the advantage play more games than we do?
Tyler Turner 29:33
Yeah, I can’t Yeah, I
agree. I actually might be an unpopular opinion with
some But no, I would people were saying about being fresher. I’m like now I think it’s more about game wraps. I thought game reps are more important. I thought I thought it gave us an advantage. Now Yeah. As it turned out, actually, to be honest with you guys did the fracture.
Scott Schabel 29:56
The O line pushing them around because
Tyler Turner 29:57
no matter how
Scott Schabel 29:58
long gone are The days of Cleland Farrell and Dexter Lawrence and Christian Wilkins. They don’t have those guys anymore Clemson’s D line looks small in that game and they just got pushed around and just bullied. Right?
Tyler Turner 30:11
Okay, so Clemson in two years, those defensive linemen are all five stars. Brian breezy. Wiles Murphy. I can’t remember the other. Are they just young
Scott Schabel 30:21
young guys, gotcha Reisman. They’ll be studs in two years.
Tyler Turner 30:26
Yeah. What Wyatt Davis the Myers you have? Yeah.
Scott Schabel 30:31
They’re monitored. That guy is a giant, and they’re talking about when he gives his hands on you to block you. It feels like he’s punching you. Every time he was punching
Tyler Turner 30:40
his parents Johnson playing yet.
Scott Schabel 30:43
He is and Willie Anderson, the great Bengal legend from where I’m from is my bank. I’m a lowly Bengals fan, too. Willie Anderson kind of took Parris Johnson under his wing and kind of made him his protege a little bit and he was proud of him when he played so Jones gets hurt after Harry Miller gets rolled out for COVID. And then Parris Johnson comes in third stringer left guard, the Willie Anderson shared an Instagram video of them training in the offseason and about pair shots to get his hands up under the guy’s shoulder pads and up under his belly and lifting the guy off his feet and driving him backwards. As opposed to put his hands up. He was getting up under and he showed a training video and then he showed it to the game and pair of shots and drove that Clemson guy back about eight yards, slams him on his back and as soon as he hits the ground, you hear a big Willie Anderson go pancake.
Tyler Turner 31:28
Pierce Johnson was I think he was the number one
Scott Schabel 31:30
rated offensive tackle comm very highly recruited. Yeah, they said that he was pretty much a bust until he started training with Willie Anderson.
Tyler Turner 31:37
Scott Schabel 31:38
Yeah, they didn’t. He wasn’t amounting to much as he came out, were highly recruited, but he couldn’t get a start and couldn’t get on the line. And then he traded with Willie Anderson really interesting kind of took a little pride as his protege took him under his wing. And then when he finally got his playing time against Clemson after he was the third stringer, basically in there, then Willie Anderson highlighted a couple of his reels and was like, that’s my training right there. He’s like those pancakes for me.
Tyler Turner 32:00
It was it was a guy with a French name. That
Scott Schabel 32:04
petite four year whatever his name is. Nicholas petite four year is. He’s decent. He’s decent. Yeah, I think so. Unless he’s hurt. He should have been playing.
Tyler Turner 32:12
Here’s a big time guy coming out of high school till
Scott Schabel 32:15
Yeah. Well, he
Tyler Turner 32:16
is definitely big time guys. Crazy. Oh, right. That’s what I think of. I actually did not bind that backup running back. I think it was three star kid
Scott Schabel 32:26
on Cincinnati. My own Williams. Yeah, He’s good. He’s good. Who I really liked as hurt as Marcus Crowley was the Florida Player of the Year. He hurt his knee and hasn’t played all season here as needed in the last year. And I’m hurt master Teague was in concussion protocol. So I think he’ll be back for the Bama game using concussion protocol versus Northwestern. But right now Trey sermon just on fire right now. I mean, yeah, hit me that championship weekend he had let me see he had 331 yards against Northwestern. He had 196 yards after contact. Nagi Harris had 178 yards. Travis Etienne had 124 yards during championship weekend. So sermon had more yards after contact and those guys had yards altogether. And how many years
Tyler Turner 33:09
have you have against Clemson?
Scott Schabel 33:11
He had first Clemson let’s see he had 193 and 61 yards receiving with a touchdown. So he was over 200 yards again. Oh my goodness. Yeah, he’s been a monster once he learned the offense and kind of settled in. I was like these are the highlight reels I was seeing when I looked them up on Oklahoma. This is why I was excited for but the beginning of the season like you said with COVID and their rhythm. I was like this has to be the worst rushing attack Ohio State’s had in a decade and then now they’ve come alive but his breakout game was against Michigan State. We had 10 carries for like 112 yards he was averaging 11.2
Tyler Turner 33:44
your your offensive line though?
Scott Schabel 33:46
Yeah, we call him the slobs here. I don’t know if you know that from 14 they were dubbed the slobs. So the offensive line refers to themselves as the slobs and they take pride in being slobs and knock people around oh my goodness you
Tyler Turner 33:59
guys are like the northwestern gamer you’re opening embarrassing balls but you were yeah you’re and that’s
Scott Schabel 34:08
that’s your press shocked me a little bit going against Clemson the last couple years and seeing their defense see those holes opened up on the New Year’s Day I was like wow I was like if we can keep doing this and then when we did and I was like this is great like I can’t leave it running all over them like this.
Tyler Turner 34:22
I was i would i would i be tested when at all so I get well I picked them to write off so so it was a surprising one. I was surprised that they won so easily in that fashion Yeah, I thought it was gonna be 3528 like 3531 I did not expect just a dumb to basically blow that don’t I mean it was a 28 point lead in the fourth
Scott Schabel 34:48
day I got that they got that garbage time touchdown even make it three touchdowns but yeah, we had a four touchdown lead against them. And sunshine is not used to get knocked around like that he is not used to all those guys flying around and grabbing him We refer to him as Sunshine here in Ohio. He’s not used to that though. He’s not used to get knocked around. He’s not used to getting hands on like that. No.
Tyler Turner 35:16
No Okay. To answer this subjectively don’t give me some
Scott Schabel 35:19
like Lawrence. Number one draft pick Lawrence. Okay,
Tyler Turner 35:22
okay, okay. Because he
Scott Schabel 35:24
got thick or ramires gonna take that Jacksonville Jaguars job. He wants Lawrence and he was at that game versus Ohio State and Clemson and I told the wife I was like Urban Meyer is up there sitting by himself. He must be watching Ohio State. And then I saw the news and second the Jags job and I was like he’s out there scouting for draft picks.
Tyler Turner 35:40
Scott Schabel 35:41
I think I’ll take Lawrence. Yeah. Lawrence, just with a bill the height. The arm. I think I’ll take him. Oh, yeah, I think I’ll take the job. Yeah, just came out. He’s seeking 12 million a year from the jag so as long as they agree to it, he’ll take the job. Plus Shelly loves. Kelly wants to get back to Florida.
Tyler Turner 35:56
That’s not that bad. No,
Scott Schabel 35:58
no, no, not for procedures. Coach de la. You got a house in Columbus. I’m sure he’s got a couple houses. They’ve got a house in Columbus and then they obviously they did live in Florida. He’s coached in Florida and I really think Shelley wants you back to Florida. So I think the Chargers fired Anthony Lynn and the Chargers were interested in Urban Meyer too. And you know, you got sunshine and palm trees there too. But I think Shelley wants to be in Florida.
Tyler Turner 36:23
I mean, so I I just my podcast is not talking about this, but I want her to get a really good offense. I would actually want him to get more I prefer to get a Brian dayboro aragvi enemy baby.
Scott Schabel 36:44
Who’s another guy? Oh, my Bengals are hoping they hire Airbnb. And now Mike Brown is coming out saying he’s bullish with Zach Taylor. He’s gonna stick with Zach Taylor. And we’re all like, Oh, no, not not the worst, but he’s too young. To be
Tyler Turner 36:59
fair, though, man. He was stuck with a bad hand
Scott Schabel 37:02
these first two years he was but they were talking about if you’re in the NFL or like even when you have a bad roster, like you got to find ways to win games. And when he keeps losing games by six points or less. They were like that’s coaching. And I was like to a degree it is but to a degree it’s also the roster.
Tyler Turner 37:17
Nebraska’s quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. A decade ago.
Scott Schabel 37:23
Yep. Which Ohio State’s loving Nebraska because those are the two teams that really fought to get the big 10 back in motion and had this lawsuits and the petitions and Nebraska Ohio State fans were outside the big 10 headquarters in Illinois and protesting.
Tyler Turner 37:37
Not to beat them down. Like
Scott Schabel 37:40
my dad’s from Omaha. So he was He’s like, I can’t watch this anymore. I was like, Yeah, I think this is an old fashioned beat down right here.
Tyler Turner 37:47
I was a childhood Nebraska fan. That was actually my team.
Scott Schabel 37:50
They were awesome. Back in the day. Tommy Frazier, man, I watched some of those games as a kid and I think these boys are good. And that defense was so hard hitting. But my goodness.
Tyler Turner 37:58
Tough times. That’s true. And I feel bad because I think that’s I keep on wanting Scott frost to turn around but I just I it’s not happening right now.
Scott Schabel 38:09
And you know that fan base is so loyal and passionate. It’d be it’d be good if they were on the map again, and they were irrelevant team again, just for the fans. The fans are good, James. As much as I hate the Browns made a Bengals fan. The Browns have real loyal fans. So you know, I mean, they got the playoffs and everybody everybody was cheering about it. And I was like, you know what I was like, congratulations, browns, whatever. It may not like you guys, but you guys got a good fan base. They will play the Steelers week in the first playoff round. And then if they get through the Steelers, they play at the chiefs. They’re not gonna go anywhere. At least they made the playoffs but you got to get through the Steelers, which is the big brother of the division, which like they hardly ever beat. I know they beat in the Sunday but I mean, we’re playing their backups. And then if you do get through the Steelers, you go play Patty mahomes and the Chiefs where you’ll get throttled your throw.
Tyler Turner 38:55
I had to pick we’re going into southern here but if I had to pick at AFC it will be Bill’s versus Kansas City. And then the
Scott Schabel 39:05
Packers you think a paragraph on the NFC. Okay, so Packers.
Tyler Turner 39:10
Oh, yeah. So I’m crossing my fingers. I will go Packers vs. That’s a good question.
Scott Schabel 39:15
Yeah, see, I was saying the same thing Bill’s champs but I might be terrible. Did you see him chase youngest tweeted out to Tom Brady said I’m coming for you.
Tyler Turner 39:26
Scott Schabel 39:30
Their defense is good, but they have no offense. Their defense just started getting good during the year if you notice they just started coming together in jail and a little bit. They named Chase and Captain. Rookie captain. That’s pretty
Tyler Turner 39:40
good that Dwayne Haskins in the NFL.
Scott Schabel 39:44
He is just immature and just not very good. He should have stuck around. He played one season for the Ohio State and then he said a couple passing records. And then
Tyler Turner 39:51
he beat out your Bureau. Right? Wow. But yeah, but Madden NFL, he’s a terrible burden.
Scott Schabel 40:00
Actually admits that he was not that good at Ohio State and that Haskins was better than him at Ohio State and I was like, that’s a weird statement to make. But he said, he said that he got better and that he said the combination of getting coached under urban and Ryan day and then moving to the LSU coaching staff and having both coaching staffs he said made him a great you know, player made him so much better. Because
Tyler Turner 40:18
his first year at LSU was not that good.
Scott Schabel 40:21
No, his average he’s okay. I mean,
Tyler Turner 40:24
yeah, he was he came into the year I saw him he’s projected to be a sixth round draft
pick and a crazy
he just said it was ridiculous you’re I’m telling you though, when I fought because I did a lot of the draft stuff on a big draft guy I think you we’re gonna we’re gonna do that. Yeah.
Scott Schabel 40:41
I’m already mock drafting for the Bengals. I got Wyatt Davis in the first round trade and back. drafting I tried to take Sewell what five I was trying to take from Oregon but he’s gone before five so I was like, Well, if I can’t get sued we’ll trade back and take the guy who won anyways. So I trade it back from five to nine took Wyatt Davis took a long day in the second round I
Tyler Turner 41:02
don’t you guys need to tackle we do.
Scott Schabel 41:05
But I figured I’d come back a tackle in the third round or something if you want to a second round
Unknown Speaker 41:09
one. Other one.
Scott Schabel 41:10
There’s a ratio on Slater at Northwestern is the second highest rated tackle behind sewer so my brother in the mock drafts he’s traded back from five all the way to 21 and still taking Slater in the first round.
Tyler Turner 41:22
Okay, that’s why so Oh, you haven’t got I haven’t gotten into mocks but all I’m telling you where they live with every team now. I don’t know if Cincinnati is gonna. Maybe because we can come back healthy. Right. He is special. Justin Herbert this year.
Scott Schabel 41:40
Herbert was my preseason. Overall number one pick so before the season started, I wanted the Bengals to draft Herbert and I told my brother I was like Justin Herbert Justin Herbert. Then we saw the playoffs go out we saw the season go on. I was like we’ll take burrito
Tyler Turner 41:55
bowl take them over. It was ridiculous. He was good this year just
Scott Schabel 41:58
as frame to just the size and he just got the NFL quarterback for
Tyler Turner 42:04
the problem of Oregon at the time was it just didn’t really happen. First of all, I played with three different head coaches. Second of all, he the system that they were playing that they inputted there after Alfred’s left didn’t benefit him. No, it was not. It was not. Honestly, it. He grew up in Eugene. He grew up Yeah, he grew up a mile from the stadium. But if I were like, Justin Herbert’s, like, mentor, I’d be like, dude, yeah, well, yeah, well somewhere else that’s gonna utilize what you do.
Scott Schabel 42:34
Yeah, put you in a process and that takes care of your big arm. Yeah, cuz I think what were they doing with him in the beginning just a bunch of bubble screens and read options like that doesn’t mean it wasn’t benefit his giant arm.
Tyler Turner 42:43
It was ridiculous and now and I think some stuff got to him mentally and he felt kind of like pressure to pressure and he didn’t play as good as he didn’t look like he didn’t NFL. I mean if the NFL Justin Herbert would have played at Oregon Oregon would have made playoffs right Oregon probably would have been a bit of a play off anyway.
Scott Schabel 43:02
But he looks real good against Wisconsin that in that race boy looks pretty good
Tyler Turner 43:07
you know anything he looked at great that game you didn’t
Scott Schabel 43:11
he ran more than he threw it
Tyler Turner 43:13
Did you watch him play this year?
Scott Schabel 43:16
Not a lot not chargers? I don’t get a lot of West Coast games out here of course unless I have the Super Bowl Sunday ticket we don’t get on TV they show the Browns Steelers lions Bengals I get all the worst games that my parents do I don’t have it here. They haven’t they have it on Dish Network. I don’t have it here though.
Tyler Turner 43:39
I see all the games okay. Heard that doesn’t matter where the game is. I
Scott Schabel 43:44
have all my Sunday. The Sunday tickets not exclusive to DirecTV anymore after this season. So next season the Sunday ticket will be cheap again. So now any any cable company can carry it. Whereas before it was exclusive to DirecTV and they had a contract where you could only get it through DirecTV. And that’s why they charge so much for it. It’s way to pay $500 for it now. The other place yeah, I was like 500 that season. My brother bought it. This upcoming season will be the first year that DirecTV is not exclusive to the package. So now other cable companies will carry it probably about half price. You probably pay like 250 200 all that. Yeah, for any game you want all year. That’s not too bad at all. But the DirecTV was like five something.
Tyler Turner 44:23
Well, I think part of the reason probably is because obviously their financial loss so they’re like screw that.
Scott Schabel 44:28
Tyler Turner 44:31
We will have a because there you’re cutting your bass in half. So that makes sense. But um, you can also get stuff on swarm through your Smart TV. You get perked right back into the apple network and stream it through your Smart TV if you have one. Um, but no, but anyways, her birthday this year was just the plays he made.
Scott Schabel 44:49
Yeah, he cuz some of the throws he made was just not a rookie.
Tyler Turner 44:54
And to be honest with these coaches, horrible his team was like pretty mediocre. Yeah. have to have team injured and he has made some of the most ridiculous I’m like, Dude,
now the guys probably would have caught it because you have the best receiving corn in college. But still it’d be two of the most ridiculous throws is yours. It’s like 70 yards. I was gonna say long. Yeah, long dress, just bombs. Well, Tampa Bay game and again like 450 plus throws crazy. Yesterday a scarcity of like 350 yard passes, and the two of them are dropped.
Scott Schabel 45:32
But I traded eckler when he got hurt and fantasy, I traded him away. And then Herbert started catching fire and I was like, Damn, I should have kept back there.
Tyler Turner 45:38
Oh, yeah. Echo was very good without half the year yeah, he was out here. But I was just a comparison because I mean Bolden the bad right? But he got he’s he’s out for all
Scott Schabel 45:53
probably they said they’re probably ready to begin next season. Yeah, they said this. They said yeah, they said they let the swelling go down. Now the doctors do they said they’ve learned once the swelling go down because they try to operate on it while it’s still swollen a little bit it’ll swell up even more. So they waited like a week or so to do the surgery on his knee. And they said that that cuts his recovery timetable and like a third like its shapes at all. So the doctors now know how to get guys back in the field quicker and make the recovery time shorter now and I was like thank god
Tyler Turner 46:22
so we need to be ready by September.
Scott Schabel 46:25
Yeah, I think it’d be ready by week one and if he’s not I guess we’ll play another quarterback for a couple games but he said he’ll be ready for next season. He’s already he’s already he’s already walking without crutches. Brandon Allen and Ryan family nobody couple of nobodies
Tyler Turner 46:41
yeah and then obviously tour is amazing in Miami. Wow.
Scott Schabel 46:47
Why did they just keep this magic and let to learn that the dolphins move the ball when Fitzpatrick was in they had a rhythm they had a tempo and to it comes in it just all stutters and stops man he had a couple scrambles that were like okay can run a little bit but he’s not ready yet. And everybody’s telling me man the Bengals are going to take Berto and they should take them to the Bengals should have taken to two is the answer. I was like No, he’s not.
Tyler Turner 47:17
He’s now man. I don’t know if he’s right. I think Miami might. third spot. Yeah, they’re probably about drafts.
Scott Schabel 47:34
And it’s not you know, any fault of his own. But how many left handed quarterbacks have been successful in the NFL. Again, Byron Byron left which Steve Young and was Flutie left handed or now
Tyler Turner 47:46
would you consider left which successful?
Scott Schabel 47:48
And I mean, I remember his name. But I can’t think of any left handed quarterbacks that are good. Besides Steve, you don’t really? I mean, how many left handed quarterbacks? NFL?
Tyler Turner 47:58
Yeah, Joe was a was an amazing athlete.
Scott Schabel 48:02
And he came onto a team with Jerry Rice and just a load of defense and everything and but he was good.
Tyler Turner 48:10
Too bad. Yeah, I got a defense. I think if he doesn’t he’s not taking the ball down the field at all. No, he just literally I mean, that’s why it gets benched because he refuses you don’t mean in NFL you can’t just scream pass all day. You’ll never right or consistent basis. Right? You can’t play the NFL like you know, college football. If you’re Iowa State or something like that. You can maybe effectively do 1516 play drives if you’re just really proficient in the NFL bad if you’re not you’re again capable.
Scott Schabel 48:46
Yeah, you can’t go through you can’t keep going for a nap in your defense out there because you’ll lose the game time in the NFL.
Tyler Turner 48:52
So you’re a loser. You can do super long drives especially with deep dunk passes it already to be able to do long drives you have a really good Ronnie back but but and it doesn’t deliver a great run game do
Unknown Speaker 49:06
pretty good, though. And their way improved.
Tyler Turner 49:09
One of the best defenses if it’s not a foul I mean he didn’t. He was a decent running back
Scott Schabel 49:16
and they did a good job with their draft picks trade and you can also draft picks. So when they when they finished they finished tennis six and now they get the fourth pick in the draft for the Texas third. I mean Miami’s did a solid job in drafting. I wish the bank would do the same thing today did acquire draft picks. All the other third pick okay.
Tyler Turner 49:32
So they can get through.
Scott Schabel 49:33
Yeah, they could. And they just drafted Austin Jackson into USC which is a target. I wonder for the Bengals. Who’s good. He does dad play for the Packers. He did. Yeah.
Tyler Turner 49:44
He was good this year.
Scott Schabel 49:45
Yeah. There was so many starting linemen that I marked the Bengals in the offseason that we didn’t get that started this year. Solomon Kenley started for the dolphins. Austin Jackson started. Damian Lewis started for the Seahawks all year. Just some of these sinners, who was a center for LSU.
Tyler Turner 50:02
Denver did indicate for the Bengals I mean, sorry to kid for Georgia.
Scott Schabel 50:08
Yeah. Isaiah Wilson. Yeah, I think he’s a starter too. Yep. I had a mock to us too. And some of my mock drafts, he had all these alignment. I had mocked to us. We didn’t take any of them. And they all end up starters in the league.
Tyler Turner 50:21
This year was pretty good, because, I mean, the general nurses good. baktun was good. Yo did the rounds I check.
Scott Schabel 50:28
He did. And he played really well. But he got injured a couple weeks ago. And they said how they said how awesome he’s been playing all year for him as a rookie.
Tyler Turner 50:35
And the guy who was actually the number one Andrew Thomas, he wasn’t that good.
Scott Schabel 50:40
He didn’t turn out that well now. Yeah, this wasn’t the first ranked lineman, but some reason they took him I remember seeing that in the mock draft. He was like, What like the third or fourth lineman for
Tyler Turner 50:56
feeling consistent at Georgia. I was kind of surprised it took him one.
Scott Schabel 50:59
Tyler Turner 51:00
But um, and then you had this year it’s not a good draft for one. Yeah. Yet, you do have that. Davis. You
Scott Schabel 51:09
guys later. Oh, he’s on tackles.
I got you. Yeah. So
do lija what is Elijah Vera? Whatever from USC. He’s decent.
Tyler Turner 51:18
He’s really tight guy too. Is he? He’s a good guy. He’s not a good tackle. No, gotcha. So tackle you. The kid from Northwestern.
Scott Schabel 51:26
You have Samuel cough me from Texas. I mocked him to my bangles recently in the draft. Third round. I took Wyatt Davis alaba and then cost me another I can’t leave cosmics here in this module.
Tyler Turner 51:40
Even though I don’t think like that tells you how weak this draft is. I think he was probably he’d probably been like the sixth best lineman last draft. Yeah. But this is such a weak draft. And then every team needs tackles. Every team needs offensive linemen. So you’re actually very maybe someone will take tougher as a tackle.
Scott Schabel 51:57
Tyler Turner 51:58
he has a tackle. I think he’s a better offer interior, but it’s a weak draft for offensive line.
Scott Schabel 52:04
Yeah, it really has it. And you didn’t get to see much on tape either because of the COVID.
Tyler Turner 52:09
So who do you think goes in the first round?
Scott Schabel 52:12
I think Wyatt Davis goes in the first round. A lot. He probably goes in the first round on the very end. I think he might still be the second but he probably the first round. Meyers might be a late first round pick the center.
Tyler Turner 52:23
Scott Schabel 52:25
I can’t I can’t see too many others first rounders form with three fields fields. Yeah, that’s an obvious one. But he’s he might be number two. Yeah.
Tyler Turner 52:33
Yeah. But I
Scott Schabel 52:34
can’t they don’t have any like normally the whole first line. The offensive lines full of first round predicted picks, you know, at Ohio State. This year. We don’t have any really guaranteed for Trump picks. Although Tommy togi is probably my favorite. He was he came out of Idaho and he’s comes from like a snow and family. And they were talking about how he was the best workout. You know, in the weight room. He was the biggest, strongest guy in the weight room a couple seasons ago and I was like I’m liking this guy defensive tackle best in the weight room and let’s see what he does. And he was an absolute stud against Clemson if you watch his highlights,
Tyler Turner 53:06
now Is he gonna is he gonna come out?
Scott Schabel 53:08
He probably will. Yeah, he’s only a junior we’ll probably come out. And then Haskell Garrett is he played well, and then yeah, tyreke Smith play well, and all them play well. So I mean, we have a lot of guys that play well on the D line, but I’m not sure if any of them are first round picks.
Tyler Turner 53:23
Yeah, Garrett might be I could see Garrett’s lead get possibly So yeah,
Scott Schabel 53:27
I might be at the end. But I don’t know. Haskell Garrett man, that story is just crazy. Trying to bring up that bring up that domestic dispute? Yeah, the guy pulls a gun out shooting through the face through both his cheeks knocks 14th out there. Like we don’t know if this guy’s gonna live right away. And then they’re like, Okay, he’s gonna live we don’t have to play football. And then what’s he been doing this year? Just dominate everybody?
Tyler Turner 53:48
Yeah, he’s really good. And then your linebacker is he gonna go? Is he gonna nice Hey
Scott Schabel 53:57
slow. I think I think he’ll leave but I he’ll be a late draft pick if any. He’s too slow for the other linebackers. Pete Werner he’s decent. He’ll be a later draft pick. Somebody will take him just cuz he’s so fast.
Tyler Turner 54:11
Scott Schabel 54:12
I think stone or bear browning might be a junior I think Werner and Borland browning a senior. He’s here. Okay. Yes, we have three senior linebackers. I guess.
Tyler Turner 54:22
Now browning has not lived up to his now you use a five star guy coming out of high school.
Scott Schabel 54:27
Yeah. And he hasn’t lived up to it yet. No, but if
Tyler Turner 54:29
he maybe if he can run really well. Combine maybe he gets freeze up. He’ll get first round but possibly. I mean, Wade Wade was a walk in the first round,
Scott Schabel 54:41
right and he just lost millions. His draft stock went way down this year. I think seven banks ever wait all day.
Tyler Turner 54:49
Yeah, wait for the outside
Scott Schabel 54:50
corner I think weighs a great Nickelback. He’s good at blitzing off that slot. You know, and he’s good at tackling the running back out of that slot. But when you put them on the outside outside those hash marks Yeah. He flips his Hips he bails every time he flips his hips bail slips his hips bails. It’s like you can’t do that. You got to play guys at the sticks you got to keep in front of the sticks.
Tyler Turner 55:09
I don’t think we will go in the first round because he got hit hard by nickel in the NFL and I don’t think nickels normally go the first round.
Scott Schabel 55:15
No, nobody’s gonna value a nickel cornerback in the first round.
Tyler Turner 55:18
And there’s probably so like actually john Holland opted out for Oregon. He He’s a really good nickel, but I don’t think he even goes in the first round. That’s just yeah, cuz I think a lot last year you had zavier McKinley who was just a stud out Alabama, right. And I don’t think he went to like the 41st pick. And he was one of the most productive nickels in the last 10 years.
Scott Schabel 55:39
Yeah, and we were some of my brother was about that too. Only a couple of guards are gonna go the first round because people just don’t value guards at that. You might get white Davis go out like you know in years past you got like a Quintin Nelson or something like that but other than that NFL team just don’t value the guards quit Nelson’s like a once in a generation player
Tyler Turner 55:56
was like he had the highest grade by pro football focus I think the highest grade ever other than throw off an offensive lineman
Scott Schabel 56:04
all he’s done is produced for the Colts he just
Tyler Turner 56:07
right Davis has been just one of the was one of the top rated recruits coming out of high school so right you’re right like unless you’re like basically just be
Scott Schabel 56:16
best guard the country you’re not gonna get a first round pick
Tyler Turner 56:19
the guards senators. nickel backs Yeah, even safeties.
Scott Schabel 56:25
Yeah, safeties don’t usually have one in the first round maybe at the end and
Tyler Turner 56:30
Antonio Winfield from Minnesota was just a stud.
Scott Schabel 56:32
That bangles so bad and he’s his dad was a Buckeye and he played for the bills. Yeah, I wanted him to the Bengals so bad I mocked on all my draft. I was like get Winfield, they didn’t get him. Of course I
Tyler Turner 56:45
funny bring that back that brings memories to my childhood. Antonia Winfield was on the Ohio State team that played against Charles Woodson in Michigan. Yeah, that game, and I liked when others Ohio State or Michigan. Like I’m not an Ohio State fan, but I’m a big time fan. So like, hold on. He’s still there. Are you Sylar Scott?
Scott Schabel 57:13
Sorry. There it is. Yep.
Tyler Turner 57:17
I was I’m not an Ohio State fan, per
Scott Schabel 57:20
se. But I always remember that team.
Tyler Turner 57:23
Well, I always was a big time. So I have I moved to Ohio State frequently. Like on one track, like if it’s big 10 versus SEC is your big 10. If it’s big Yeah. Versus ACC Iowa is your dream big 10 it’s actually big time versus fact. Other than Oregon. I use the big 10 I’m gonna set up.
Scott Schabel 57:42
I’m trying to teach my father in law that he’s a team up north fan. And I’ve tried to get my wife to tell him like the Ohio State Representative, the big 10 He’s like, yeah, it’s been a bad night. They’re gonna beat Clemson and she’s like, they’re representing the whole conference. So she went to Isaiah when he’s like, No, I don’t such a hater.
Yeah, she she
was when I first met her and I converted her. She’s
Tyler Turner 58:06
Yes, she was. Actually Michigan. Yeah, I cheer for Ohio State of Michigan. I’ve never but misc is probably my least favorite. Big 10 team.
Scott Schabel 58:21
The first time I saw Matt Jones was when he smacked Michigan in that bowl game announced it this quarterbacks pretty decent for Alabama.
Tyler Turner 58:26
Maybe last year versus a win two was out.
Scott Schabel 58:30
I think so. It was that they spanked Michigan last year without us. Yeah,
Tyler Turner 58:34
I’ll tell you what. That is pretty good. But I I’m would not draft him as high as he’s going to go in the draft. He’s playing with the best most talented roster in college football. I still think he is an average athlete average size. He has a good arm he does not have a lead arm I would not because he’s probably good. I’ve seen some people say that he’s gonna go in the first round.
Yeah, I would take him to the first round. I would not do it for pullbacks. Um, you got Trevor Lawrence first.
Scott Schabel 59:10
How about the BYU quarterback? What’s his name?
Tyler Turner 59:12
Okay. It often tell I saw fields play the other night.
Scott Schabel 59:17
Anyway you guy ahead of him?
Tyler Turner 59:18
Well, because of that you can play Yeah. He’s he’s he’s just a good good player too. He has a really good arm. He’s also very mobile. He He’s a decently he’s not a tiny guy either. He can throw on the run. He does really well. He has good arm. And how the NFL is going but fields is so physical. How the NFL is born. If you got a quarterback that is physical and has athletic it, like this is what they have well with with Herbert last year. If a guy has. He’s big, he’s a big arm. He’s athletic. He’s a high character guy with a high IQ. they’ll teach him They want to tell you don’t worry about maybe having some limit some stuff out looking great. There’s some Josh Allen I’ve ever seen him out of college. And that was a high character guy who’s big and athletic with a huge, unlike, you know what, I just I probably would, I would have taken them for Mayfield.
Scott Schabel 1:00:18
Before the injury. There was Carson Wentz from here. He was the guy coming out of a small school, and I was gonna wonder if this year are there any guys coming out small schools that are quarterbacks that are worthy, like a Carson Wentz or a Josh Allen? ultra lance? Okay.
Tyler Turner 1:00:33
Yeah, yeah, that’s right, Troy Lance is easy. Once again, big athletic, physical. I don’t know boss character. We’re gonna say, Okay,
Scott Schabel 1:00:42
I was gonna say they just turn out. They’re just gonna division what, two or four rivers championship every year.
Tyler Turner 1:00:50
Yeah, that’s actually when I played was that Yeah, well, um, but no, but I’ve just like there’s there’s definite traits because the NFL everyone fast everyone’s athletic. And if unless you’re just Tom Brady or someone that just is like a mental different level than everyone else. Um, if you’re limited physically at all, it’s I just don’t see. Even I do
Scott Schabel 1:01:14
really put a ceiling on yourself. Yeah, if you don’t have it.
Tyler Turner 1:01:17
A little bit of opera roll with that.
Scott Schabel 1:01:19
Yeah. He just seemed he just seems so smart. He reads defenses and he makes the right throw and the right decision almost every time. He broke a lot of NFL records and begin the year before he
Tyler Turner 1:01:30
got he was pretty good.
Scott Schabel 1:01:32
Most passing completions in a single game. And I forget what record he had, but he had to hit every week you set a new record and I was like, Did he really just set a new record again when the Bengals are losing my 20? And he wasn’t
Tyler Turner 1:01:43
Scott Schabel 1:01:43
he was passing it 50 some times a game. We don’t want that.
Tyler Turner 1:01:47
Why? He was like, look what eventually happened?
Scott Schabel 1:01:50
Right? It’s never good when your quarterback throws it. 5060 times a game. I don’t care how good he is. You got to run awesome.
Tyler Turner 1:01:56
That’s why I know it’s a weak draft for wine. But yeah. we align you have bad receivers. I mean, um,
Scott Schabel 1:02:04
and everyone’s talking about we need to draft Jamar chase in the first round because AJ is gone. No, we got we got Boyd and Higgins. We don’t need receiver. Yeah. Yeah, I tried to argue to guys said you could have for Randy mosses and a Jerry Rice in the slot. And it doesn’t matter if your quarterbacks on his back. He can’t throw the ball if he’s laying on his back. And isn’t. P Ryan Yeah. They’re demo. Oh, mixing. Yeah. He’s been hurt half the season. But yeah. He’s a superstar running back. belcheck was talking about he’s the best running back in the league. And I was like, I don’t know if he’s the best in the league. But he’s good. I still take Derrick Henry, but
Tyler Turner 1:02:39
he’s good. dalvin cook.
Scott Schabel 1:02:42
Right. Do you see Did you see and rehab like 500 more yards and cook at the end of the season? I could watch a gap.
Tyler Turner 1:02:49
him was the offensive coordinator. That’s a guy that needs to get a head coaching job. Yeah. What he’s done with Ryan tannehill and Derrick Henry, right.
Scott Schabel 1:02:59
And rebels but Rachel’s done a great job, obviously. I love him being a Buckeye. He’s a hometown guy. I was rooting for them. And the guy was telling me on media, social media. He was like, man, if I say had Desmond Ridder, he’s like, they would have done four times more this year than fields. And I laugh at him. I said fields is better than Ritter all day every day. And then when the Clemson game happened, I tagged him and I was like, oh, man, if we only had returned, he was like, I was just trying to get some traffic to your page.
Tyler Turner 1:03:27
I was like, Yeah, thanks. jiki heads anywhere in the near future.
Scott Schabel 1:03:35
I don’t know they were trying to rumor that he was gonna go to Michigan and I was like, No, he’s not. He’s not gonna go there. He doesn’t know his Ohio State Route. He won’t do that. So if he goes somewhere he might go somewhere but it won’t be there.
Tyler Turner 1:03:46
Where did he what job would you think would entice fickle I got one I’m thinking of rats.
Scott Schabel 1:03:51
Gotta be it’s gotta be a power five.
Cuz he’s, he’s
getting crapped on an undefeated season with Cincinnati not even considered for the playoff would he get ranked eighth? Not even in the playoff consideration, so I would think if he does go somewhere, he’s gonna have to go power fly to where he feels like I have a team. I can make the playoffs.
Tyler Turner 1:04:11
I’m not just a firefly who got a really good school. nerd. A
Scott Schabel 1:04:15
Notre Dame. Yeah.
Tyler Turner 1:04:16
If Ryan Kelly ever left. Good physical. It’d be a good guy. Yeah, what about Illinois?
Scott Schabel 1:04:22
we don’t we don’t take a whole lot of we don’t take a whole lot of recruits out of Illinois. They don’t steal I mean, we don’t really we’re not in competition.
Tyler Turner 1:04:28
Why would he go to Illinois?
Scott Schabel 1:04:30
Just to turn around I’m thinking power five
Tyler Turner 1:04:32
good not No, no. We that we take bread buhoma don’t write
Scott Schabel 1:04:38
we battle with recruits for that team up north. We battle with recruits for Penn State, you know, like in this area, but I feel like as you start to get towards like the northwestern Illinois area and whatever. There’s not really a battle. You could be in a power five big team but you have to battle for Ohio State.
Tyler Turner 1:04:52
They don’t hate it. The team up north of hardball leaves that gamble for Iowa State.
Scott Schabel 1:04:59
Yeah. Iowa State my grandpa played there and I like I would say a lot.
Tyler Turner 1:05:03
There. I mean, they kicked Oregon’s button the Fiesta Bowl. Did they?
Scott Schabel 1:05:07
I didn’t watch that one.
Tyler Turner 1:05:08
What were Oregon turn ball or five times. But he his team is just very like they don’t turn the ball over a lot. They’re very effective. They’re very efficient. He’s is he’s a really good coach.
Scott Schabel 1:05:19
Yeah, I liked flack last year, but it almost seemed like he was a one year flash in the pan. Whereas Campbell’s been more sustained. I like fleck those a coach
Tyler Turner 1:05:27
Fox, he’s more of like a see kind of like culture players coach.
Scott Schabel 1:05:32
Tyler Turner 1:05:32
yeah. Whereas I’d say I’d give. He’s a good recruiter, whereas I’d say Campbell is he? He’s a very good, he’s a very good offensive coach. Yep. Um, he was an OC before. He’s a culture. I mean, he’s, he’s one of the better. Like, honestly, I’ve seen a lot what he’s done, and I will state and I just see how his team looks. Yeah, I watch Matt Campbell team. It’s like, they don’t turn the wall very much. They’re physical. They’re physical. They’re very efficient. It’s just good. They’re just really, he doesn’t have didn’t have a lot of talent. I like my pickle. I like his hands. You know, sometimes you look at a team and they’re just like, very efficient and they do everything. They do little things. They make the good decisions and special teams, they don’t wind up to go for it on fourth down and no one to do an onside kick boot kick. And it’s just it’s just like that coat. It’s just like you can see that that coach is just almost out of different Yeah, we if you gave him a really talented roster, you’d be like man
Scott Schabel 1:06:31
Yeah, pickles D line is always on point just because of his background with a D lineman and wrestling. His D lineman are so good with their hands they’re so good to get in position and stopping the run and nobody runs on pickles team no matter where he’s that they didn’t run on us when he was at Ohio State they don’t run on Cincinnati. No drama Georgia Good. Now they couldn’t run
Tyler Turner 1:06:50
out of five stars Georgia was very struggling to get anything really effective going on offense ever again. The best that was one of the most that was maybe the most competitive view your sixth
Scott Schabel 1:07:02
I think it Ritter doesn’t get up that a fumble there with Olga whatever his name is coming around the edge if that doesn’t happen says that he wins that game.
Tyler Turner 1:07:09
Well I think today he had their best offensive tackle ball the first half with like a targeting call
Scott Schabel 1:07:15
what a bad call. Do you see that?
Tyler Turner 1:07:18
No, it was good.
Scott Schabel 1:07:20
It was on the sideline
I think it should have been a light hit not another targeting injection.
Tyler Turner 1:07:26
He did straight up like that was
Scott Schabel 1:07:32
targeted and that one wasn’t Yeah, so when I felt like I hit when I saw the guy hit the guy on the sideline it seemed like he was starting to finish the hit he kind of like held back a little bit hit it hit him all the way through anything you learned all the way and I was like I was like late hit 15 yard flag I was like he is a little bit of a late hit. But then when I saw the Clemson i was i guess like that head was like straight spear to the ribs like that was that was pretty blatant.
Tyler Turner 1:07:55
I actually I’m the opposite I thought the one hit because the guy was just like really standing there and I thought he just came over and plowed him down. So I actually thought if you’re going to go targeting I agreed with that. I thought it was a football player to Clemson one bit but yeah, as a we all have different days. But But anyways, Dad guy went out and then they had trouble stop the pass rush like they could Yeah, second half they really had trouble. I mean, dirty gets more. Well they had the most talented roster on paper going into the season of a team college football. Right.
Scott Schabel 1:08:30
Clearly smart just not gonna get it done there.
Tyler Turner 1:08:34
Scott Schabel 1:08:34
and he picks from over fields. The Georgia fan bases not gonna forgive him for that I see it all over every I mean how long is from and gone? Every time fields is on TV see the Georgia fan base get fired up about Kirby smart really picked from ever this guy.
Tyler Turner 1:08:51
Kirby smart had a had a walk on starting this year and he didn’t start JT Daniels towards the end of the year. Yeah. So he’s I know he’s gonna he’s a different college. He’s a good coordinate. He’s a good star good crew for but I don’t know. So I don’t remember half off this off. But it’s like we kind of are all pretty streamlined. And I’m just like talking about big 10 or I’ll talk about one team work. Draft we talked Cincinnati. A lot of different places. But
Scott Schabel 1:09:32
another thing I was gonna mention about the Ohio State Clemson game. Ryan de alluded to before the game that Clemson was stealing signs and the Venables was stealing signs and he said it always seemed excited always it always seems like their defense knows what we’re gonna do and the other team’s gonna do and all the games. So when they call that timeout and the first quarter, they went to the sideline and if you saw the camera Ryan day, he was smirking. And he was saying something the other coach about like he has what I thought and then the rest of the Ohio State huddled up and there’s no more signs, and then Clemson didn’t look so good when they couldn’t see all the signs, did they? And I was I was like, well, the interesting theory right there. And this was, this was from a Clemson messageboard. A Clemson fan. A Clemson fan post on their message board was talking about how after the timeout, Ryan day was smirking until the other coach, you asked what I thought he’s like, and then he’s like, if you notice, he’s like Ohio State staff doing the signs. Look to the sideline, they start huddling up for all the plays, and the Clemson fan was like, I think there’s something to this. And I was like, because you guys steal signs.
Tyler Turner 1:10:32
That’s what it is. I don’t know. I’m not a conspiracy theory guy. But you know what?
Scott Schabel 1:10:39
Tyler Turner 1:10:41
It was crazy that you guys were scoring at Well,
Scott Schabel 1:10:44
yeah, it really started huddling up
Tyler Turner 1:10:46
do that yeah, that actually you know what I might go with that one cuz Yeah, you were running up and down the field.
Scott Schabel 1:10:54
Yeah, I mean, that was that was from a Clemson fan that wasn’t from an Ohio State like guy just trying to like stir something up there was a Clemson fan talking about man like once they stopped looking to the sideline for signs and started huddling up we couldn’t do anything as they wonder if there’s something to that and I was like of course there is. You guys are signed Steelers.
Tyler Turner 1:11:10
Like the it’s like the Astros trashcans seventh grade team trying to guard you guys. I mean, they did
Scott Schabel 1:11:20
they look small. It looks small. Usually, you know, the past couple years is real tough sledding, trying to run on them and our alignment is pushing them around. Like I said they’re just freshmen so we’ll probably sets in a couple years but it looked like a little bit of varsity versus JV team.
Tyler Turner 1:11:34
You literally smashed him. It was it? Do I have to have you on before that Oregon, Ohio State play next year, right.
Scott Schabel 1:11:40
And the draft will talk draft? I know I gotta I gotta wait in the combine to see which players rise which players fall and get to know some names more watch some guys run and whatever. And then we’ll see where you know the ratings are and where the rankings are and they’ll be able to do a mock draft will look better, but right now I’m just not drafting for fun. I did some four round mocks to the bangles. We’ll see
Tyler Turner 1:11:59
for a while four rounds. Oh, yeah.
Scott Schabel 1:12:01
My brother has been doing seven rounds. And I was like you can’t do seven rounds.
Tyler Turner 1:12:05
Now. You don’t know who’s that? Yeah. Yeah,
Scott Schabel 1:12:10
yeah, he’s traded like crazy. He traded from five back to 21. And like a third round, he traded back again. fourth round traded back again. He’s trading for first round picks in the next season, like all sorts of shit. Is he?
Tyler Turner 1:12:23
Is he a Bengals fan?
Scott Schabel 1:12:25
Yeah. He lives in that he lives in Denver. So he keeps telling me that he’s gonna raise a son as a Broncos fan because it’s humiliating to be a Bengals fan and he hates Mike Brown. So he’s like, I’m gonna go out tomorrow. I’m gonna buy my son Broncos gear. He’s gonna put a big donkey. He calls him a donkeys instead of the Broncos. He’s gonna put a big donkey up on the wall. He’s like, we’re gonna be Broncos fans. He’s like I’m not putting my son through that misery.
Tyler Turner 1:12:46
I was like, I feel that well the Broncos need to draft him because that quarterback is one of the worst quarterbacks Yeah,
Scott Schabel 1:12:54
yeah, he’s bad. He’s bad, but at least their history you know the Super Bowls and they’re usually a good team. They got a good fan base.
Tyler Turner 1:13:01
They were drafted
Scott Schabel 1:13:05
Yeah, we went to Denver and visited and we watched the sunset and the sun was orange and purple over the mountains and I had never given any thought my brother’s like where the Broncos colors come from and I looked up at the sunset and I was like no kid and I was like you’re right like those are the Broncos colors.
Tyler Turner 1:13:20
We’ve had some great teams but right now something about their offense for sure is good. Nice guys coming on my show. I got a buck I
Scott Schabel 1:13:31
gotta eat now.
Tyler Turner 1:13:34
What is that a Buckeye? Oh Ohio State 42 to 35 What do you got?
Scott Schabel 1:13:51
I like it because they have Alabama’s what a seven point favorite right now we’re 8777
Tyler Turner 1:13:57
or eight yeah
Scott Schabel 1:13:59
I’m gonna take Ohio State by 10
Tyler Turner 1:14:01
Scott Schabel 1:14:06
after that comes to game Hey
Tyler Turner 1:14:12
man is when you have the people you can be confident if you’re if you love people great miracles happen
Scott Schabel 1:14:21
if our rushing attack right now look the way to the beginning of the season no way I think Ohio State but the way our rushing attack has gained steam and the way we look right now I got to take Ohio State plus you know anyways and I would say
Tyler Turner 1:14:35
you can you can watch they got past a couple games this year but I think yes if you’re able to establish run then you can you can open up that game. If you’re not able to run it all day have a good dance and good DBS and they give you guys that can get after the quarterback so Yeah, I agree before thing established to run and then take some shots like it did against Clemson. Oh
Scott Schabel 1:14:59
A couple couple runs and then a little quick play fake and deep ball.
Tyler Turner 1:15:05
But you do need you need healthy fields.
Scott Schabel 1:15:07
Yep. For sure. Yeah, Alabama has to respect his run game. He doesn’t rush for a lot. They just have to keep a man home to contain him to let the other guys be open. And
Tyler Turner 1:15:16
you guys do have to be able to get some pressure on you, Jones. That is that is the best offensive line by quite a margin a college football.
Scott Schabel 1:15:26
I think our weakness is tackling on the perimeters. That first drive on Clemson that’s all they did was that that RPO and the throw to the hash marks they were destroying us because we couldn’t tackle the perimeter so we weren’t fast enough and weren’t fast enough and be able to tackle enough when you have a safety back
Tyler Turner 1:15:40
and you’ve got some guys that can fly obviously Yeah. He’s healthy so
Scott Schabel 1:15:46
and Clemson had a couple receivers that were look pretty jacked and pretty fast. And so I was like well that’s gonna be a long game if they keep throwing the outsides like this, but then Clemson got away from that.
Tyler Turner 1:15:55
promises. Oh, God, Obama guys,
Scott Schabel 1:15:57
right. But their receiver their receivers were pretty stout and fast to when they cut the ball. I was like, these dudes are pretty, pretty electric as net. Remember, we’re talking about that with demonte Smith and wattle. Like if we see a lot of that it’s gonna be bad for us.
Tyler Turner 1:16:09
But the thing is what there was a process by Ohio State against Clemson. I mean, you got after Lawrence. I mean, he had no, right. He’s not used to that at all. So you guys if you can be able to do that against Jones. I mean, I definitely lost a wins. Yeah. But Alabama’s significantly better on the offensive line. So I think it’s gonna be a little more difficult to get after John’s a knockout.
Scott Schabel 1:16:31
Justin Hilliard was a great shine of the past few weeks for Ohio State. He’s been a great he was granted a sixth year of eligibility because of injuries. He’s a sixth year senior number 47. COVID, right. It could be a seven year See, that’d be that’d be the first I’ve ever heard of. No, but he’s, he’s been he’s been he’s been playing great, faster games. They showed him on Twitter, some of his highlights. And on those bubble screens, and some of those plays where the receivers trying to get to them. He slips that receiver in the back of the tackle, like nobody’s blocking them. And I was like, that’s what we need. Because you’re gonna need that against Alabama, when they throw those little bubble screens at the vontae Smith and stuff. You’re gonna need to get out of those blocks and make that tackle or they’re either gonna be a long night. Yeah,
Tyler Turner 1:17:10
well, that’s actually Oregon has a guy that’s coming back for a seventh here, because he never heard that before. No, I know what’s gonna happen this year. And that’s crazy.
Scott Schabel 1:17:22
That’s wild. And you know, it’s gonna be a you know, it’s gonna be like basket weaving too, because they played there on the football team. Would you get your PhD in basket weaving? I get basket weaving from Katzenmoyer cat somewhere took a basket weaving class of senior year at Ohio State and I thought it was the funniest
maybe weaving baskets. I don’t know. He didn’t make it. The NFL very long. did a
Tyler Turner 1:17:48
pretty good. Yeah,
Scott Schabel 1:17:49
he played for the Patriots for a little bit. I think I think he got a neck injury or something like that didn’t play anymore.
Tyler Turner 1:17:54
Did he have some Waterfield issues going on? Probably.
Scott Schabel 1:17:58
He was he was a wild guy. He’s a white guy.
Tyler Turner 1:18:03
thought was I was worried a little bit about your boss coming out. But he seems to have gotten his
Scott Schabel 1:18:07
Yeah, you could tell he plays with a chip on his shoulder. He’s always he’s always talking trash and trying to hurt something in the game. I was like, man, like God’s gonna gonna have something bad happen. But yeah, you’re right. He’s been able to contain yourself and Ben pretty good.
Tyler Turner 1:18:19
Oh, he’s a stud and Nick tuba he got he had ACL injury the first season so yeah, they
Scott Schabel 1:18:26
had a what’s what for the last five years and Ohio State players from the Defensive Player of the Year the Rookie of the Year?
Tyler Turner 1:18:32
Yep. Because both crazy right?
Scott Schabel 1:18:35
But yeah, and I think this year is Chase young right.
Tyler Turner 1:18:37
Chase young and then yeah, Joy both those is one it.
Scott Schabel 1:18:41
I think Denzel Ward maybe was the other one. I can’t remember the other one was, was the
Tyler Turner 1:18:46
who’s the other one wasn’t Marques, Latimer.
Scott Schabel 1:18:48
latimore. might have been marshawn Lattimore. Yeah, from the saints. Yeah. For the last five years have been Buckeyes though. I was like, I didn’t know that stat. That’s surprising. I mean, that didn’t surprise me too much. But I was like, I don’t know that. So I can rap. Now. As a Buckeye fan.
Tyler Turner 1:19:00
You guys can wrap it up on the best program. So I did. Good later on. Good luck and good luck on the game. And we’ll come back on there. We’ll talk about your draft season. We’ll get some draft talk going on.
Scott Schabel 1:19:13
Now. Yeah, sounds good, man.
Tyler Turner 1:19:15
I know. Have a good day, man.
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