In this episode, Victor Arocho and Byron Jones talk the latest on the NFL including the Giants placing a franchise tag on Leonard Williams.
Victor Arocho – @varocho
Victor Arocho 0:00
We live out of Miami Fort Lauderdale. Welcome to the Jersey
This show is hosted by Byron Jones and Victor wrote you, Victor wrote your I can’t even pronounce my own name brought to you by the sportscast. Today’s March 11 2021. If you haven’t yet, please subscribe to the sports cast in all your channels, YouTube, Periscope, iTunes. And if you’re an iTunes, please leave a rating and a review. It’ll help us out tremendously. And if you can go to sports hot sports cast dotnet or follow us on Twitter at the sports cast that one or sports cast one. And then we also have an iOS app, so you can download it and we’re streaming live on Facebook. We’re streaming live on YouTube. So we’re getting ready to get started. Alrighty, so Bahrain, as we always start I have had a it’s been a chilly South Florida it’s been an enjoyable couple of days. I know you guys haven’t had any snow I love all the giant stuff we have on today. Some man you you actually match you’d have the same hat with the same shirt on today. Coordinate coordinate a coordinate warning and get open up sides coordinates. Most listeners don’t remember that from Boomerang, right.
Unknown Speaker 1:38
Oh, john was this phone. That guy was funny. It was awesome. years ago he
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Victor Arocho 1:47
or neat or neat? You can’t do too if you get a chance to watch Eddie Murphy and Boomerang and Halle Berry is in there and Robin Givens but I’m not a fan of Robin Givens because he did the mike tyson. But I love Halle Berry. Okay, so it’s a great movie, you get a chance to vote and then once you watch Boomerang, you’re going to learn how to
Unknown Speaker 2:14
what your knee coordinates
Victor Arocho 2:18
inside you know they do that now you have you seen the suits like and draft a they had in the inside of suits now have
Byron Jones 2:29
put a funny? Yeah, I wonder what the charter kid for two, three, whatever the deal
Victor Arocho 2:33
is, I don’t know. But But the point being is for us watching that movie at a young age, to wearing suits that only had inside material
Unknown Speaker 2:43
to have actually inside material with information on it. Pretty cool, goes back to boom Ray right? So
Victor Arocho 2:51
that chameleons going to get some some from royalties on that.
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Victor Arocho 2:55
so we got a lot SOG about we got some pretty interesting stuff going on today. So let’s get a shout out. Well, hopefully that our, our special guest host mark, you want to try pronouncing this nice thing?
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Byron Jones 3:14
really like no, not even when he
Unknown Speaker 3:18
when he called Oh man.
Victor Arocho 3:21
How do I get a call when I’m on the middle phone? Alright, so hopefully he calls him because he’s a big Dallas fan. And so we’re gonna we’re gonna see what he’s got to say about what’s happening in today’s environment. So let me just get to my
Byron Jones 3:36
weather. What are my weather?
Victor Arocho 3:38
Well, because he told me then stop asking you about it. So
Byron Jones 3:42
it was 80 degrees a day. I put some spandex pants on was
Victor Arocho 3:46
standing. There’s no way. There’s a pair of spandex that can fit you. No way. This is what you get them in the xL xL. What are you calling the D XL store?
Byron Jones 4:00
That’s the neck? Yes, yes. I went out here and I jogged around the block. ashy legs and everything.
Unknown Speaker 4:08
All right, listen to me for our listeners. Okay, those of you see this man sitting down. He’s a large, large
Victor Arocho 4:17
man. He’s six foot six 290 pounds on my leaving my dad so he doesn’t have to ask him say anything different. But can you imagine a guy in spandex? You know when we grew up if you wore spandex? at any size they make funny.
Unknown Speaker 4:37
Big sexy bad big sexy today, man.
Victor Arocho 4:41
You’re gonna send me a very I can’t imagine is that much spandex to fit on? Oh, it was tight.
Unknown Speaker 4:48
It was tired.
Victor Arocho 4:49
I was tired today. Hey, you want to know what’s funny about about spending? Well, one, you know you still our listeners that it’s true, right? I Lisa At least we hear right you’re you’re better off telling this because you’re experienced but my understanding is like like football players when it was cold they would actually wear like pantyhose these Penny hills were protect like it wouldn’t help it would help with the cold cetera
Unknown Speaker 5:16
Victor Arocho 5:17
yeah that’s pretty interesting so now this bandage I got a good story for you spandex back in Jersey all right so back when spandex came out when you’re working out with the spandex shorts wherever they are black and you’re all back you know us all a shape and Mima boys would go down and we’d go to Belmont I remember I live I live in I live in Florida, South Florida. The beaches are beautiful and they’re free. Other beaches free injures
Byron Jones 5:45
no one not all of them right.
Victor Arocho 5:49
You got to pay to get on the beach right? Yeah, a lot of
Byron Jones 5:54
Victor Arocho 5:56
That’s that Jersey is like somewhere that’s border like Maryland. Well, yeah, what anyways, bottom line is you had to pay and so we go get a season pass for Belmont, and it was worth it because we go so for whatever stupid reason, you know, we’re always saying we want to go down and I’m wearing black like, you know, those
Unknown Speaker 6:20
shorts spandex shorts, you know? in Jersey summer heat. Oh, man, if I could tell you that my those things turned into raisins. It was hot as hell. Yeah.
Victor Arocho 6:38
I would never do that ever in my life again, ever, ever. So why 80 degrees? You got to send me a picture of us. I can’t. I’m still that’s coordinate. So you need to take in the curtains. We’re taking some because there’s no way there’s enough Spanish to cover. You know, so a lot of stretching as a lot of Spanish.
Byron Jones 7:01
What are you trying to say?
Victor Arocho 7:02
I’m just saying you’re a big guy. Okay, or you’re a big man. six six to nine. That’s a big man. You want to wrap that in Spanish on it starts this big. It’s got to stretch out this big you put on my Spanish table you’d rip right through?
Byron Jones 7:21
Unknown Speaker 7:24
it would be it would be up to your knees.
Byron Jones 7:27
I read out my dog went out my front door made a left turn and went down the street ran past a school like that and came over about a corner probably scared everybody
Victor Arocho 7:42
scared kids your size. They were scared cuz of like, like, what’s wrong with this guy in spandex that big? And where they only black or where they had colors though.
Byron Jones 7:55
Not just black.
Unknown Speaker 7:58
Like spandex. What was your top?
Byron Jones 8:01
Black everything black? I wanted to be like the Raiders. The Raiders. Holy smokes.
Victor Arocho 8:06
So you got to Oh, Holy smokes. Let me get this straight. You’re in Philly here giant fan. And I got a six foot six 290 pound. African American man black man wearing all black spandex. jogging.
Unknown Speaker 8:24
Right. ran past?
Unknown Speaker 8:27
Oh my god.
Byron Jones 8:29
Elementary School at the end of the block was scared.
Victor Arocho 8:33
There’s no doubt there’s like, you know, Monsters Inc.
Byron Jones 8:38
When a cop was sitting on the corner when I came back around that comes a cop when I came back. Like you probably scared him. I was
Unknown Speaker 8:49
scared. Rory Bendix either excited her
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Victor Arocho 8:57
fat and spandex. It shows everything.
Byron Jones 9:00
Yeah, no, I’m about peace and love, man. Peace.
Victor Arocho 9:03
Doesn’t matter that your peace ain’t showing in spandex.
Byron Jones 9:09
All good. Everything was good. I’m just saying. Alrighty, so
Victor Arocho 9:12
let’s get back into the sports that we were in expanding space. Well, I so that was that’s interesting. So 80 degrees for real 80 degrees. Were March tomorrow. That’s that’s pretty hot for March.
Byron Jones 9:31
Tomorrow we go back to normal tomorrow.
Victor Arocho 9:33
Because I remember you guys could get snow in March. I’m just saying in general. You get
Byron Jones 9:41
Victor Arocho 9:45
You get snow marks. I was like damn, he agrees is pretty good. That’s what stinks though. That’s the reason why I don’t like going up during these times because like the mall so other stores they don’t want to turn on the air conditioning. Right. So you going into a store that they’re expecting cold. And so there are no AC and you’re inside and it’s hot.
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Victor Arocho 10:10
my blood is thin, and I love her condition. So, like, there’s only a certain point in time I could travel back up north, because if not, I can’t I can’t handle being inside one of those places where there’s no AC and it’s 80 degrees outside. So, again, you know, we told you about the sports app. Alright, so let’s get get Let’s get it on. So we talked about the weather. 80 degrees. That’s it that was hotter than here. Yeah, it was an email yesterday, it was actually pretty nice. Alright, so let’s get it on. Let’s go by the giants. Alright, we started out in that conversation before we went live. And I want to get a Facebook up because I don’t want our listeners to not respond. And I don’t respond to them. But so tell me later when we Williams we were talking about that though. You liked him. Now you changed your mind. You wanted somebody else like him? Why? Why is it changing?
Byron Jones 11:06
It’s not that I don’t like cuz I know you like them. But I mean, like, they can’t afford to find everybody. So they’re gonna have to make choices. They’re either going to have to keep dalvin Tomlinson, the guy that they drafted, they grown. I like him. And that’s been the leader. Since he’s been there. He was NFL. They’re nominated for NFL man of the year last year. He’s a team captain. This guy that he got from the Jets, which is no big deal, he only gave up a couple picks for to get on a plane. But now they got to they have to pay him $19 million a year on the tag that he just got or get a lot of from the Jets.
Victor Arocho 11:47
I’m sorry, to my face became. So I’m so who do you think they should have franchise tag?
Byron Jones 11:54
They should have done well, they should have got his contract done before now because this is a second year in a row that he had to tag Mr. Williams. So I don’t know what gentleman’s doing that because last year was 16 million this year is making. So I don’t know what he’s doing as far as I’m not getting contracts, you know, but no, they don’t have that much on their space. That’s why they’re, you know, they cut mail on the linebacker they cut tape last week, because I learned the best lineman, you know, yesterday. So they’re trying to find money, you know, and they still have soldier to deal with. Yeah, he’s a big cap thing. But are they gonna get rid of them now? Are they gonna wait till June when is less of a hit? Then? So they got they have a lot of things going on as far as with their cap space.
Victor Arocho 12:35
My, like linna rooms. I mean, at the end of the day, I do like him, right. And he’s a he’s a veteran he’s in he’s got a senior now he’s got some leadership qualities on them. Right. But you’re saying that this is his second franchise tag Second. Okay. So that’s good, because that’s gonna lead us into our conversation later with that, because I didn’t know that about the second franchise tag. Right. So we’re going to get into that hopefully mark is on the phone by that time because then we could talk about it but so um Alright, so we got him we got Liga sake, one coming back. I like Leonard Williams. What else do we need to tie up on our defense? Because you know, it’s about our defense, right? And then we need some offensive weapons. We gotta say Quan, coming back. Hopefully in the draft, we’re gonna pick a receiver, right? So we’re going to go into the mock draft right now. I’m going to pull up your stuff that you showed, right? And you got a little bit deeper to that. But you see how it keeps changing. Like Jones keeps going up and down.
Byron Jones 13:40
And it’s going to change again when you know what happened when Zeitlin as far as with the giants, I might be changing it again. As far as the way they’re going to pick who do you think the Giants gonna pick? They need an offensive weapon. I’m thinking you know, like Jalen waddle you know if he falls down there are no even Smith devonta Smith, or even Kyle picks the tight end from Florida or maybe to the edge rusher for my IV or one of those guys, but by them get rid of their best lineman. It looks Yeah, I might next week were shipped over to what do you think alignment the kid from Northwestern, which is Sean Slater, because they had him on TV the other day, he put up a big number like he did a 500 pound meal front squat. Yeah. And then he ran a 45 4300 pounds.
Victor Arocho 14:32
So he he’s almost as fast as you are.
Unknown Speaker 14:36
Oh, you ran
Victor Arocho 14:36
under free? Yes, I
Unknown Speaker 14:38
did. That almost. That’s almost the same size. Almost the same time. But
Victor Arocho 14:45
yeah, he you know, Benny was giving you some crap. Yeah. All right. I’m pulling the mock draft now. Um, yeah. Because you know, I’m, you know, I’m glad that Byron sent a lot of work. On the on end like his picks on the mock draft, he’s gone. 32 he wanted to get deep into it. All I cared about is these were my 11th pick lists. Yeah. I cared about what is my 11th pick? And can I get Patrick’s 13 at that 11 pick?
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Victor Arocho 15:21
Cuz every time he gets, I don’t think so on it because he’s such a great defensive player. But he was like number 10, he dropped to 10 to Dallas, because they’re picking all these quarterbacks. Number one, and I want to talk to you a little bit about that,
Unknown Speaker 15:35
man, come on.
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Victor Arocho 15:40
but you know, the quarterback situation of what I’m seeing, you know, predicated on the draft, it’s getting crazy between what they’re paying, and then all the quarterbacks coming in. I see that the league is now to go back to the quarterback problem they had 10 years ago.
Byron Jones 16:03
Quarterback, the quarterback driven league. It
Victor Arocho 16:06
is true, but but 10 years ago, he wasn’t a quarterback lead, but 10 years ago, they stayed away from drafting quarterbacks early. So they didn’t have to bust on Ryan lease. And all those guys. What’s his name from Texas a&m man Manzella.
Byron Jones 16:23
Then the kid from Oklahoma that will all of
Victor Arocho 16:26
them. What about what about Utah was producing Heisman Trophy winners 100.
Byron Jones 16:32
You have to remember this. They didn’t have the salary get like the rookie cap that they have. Now as far as you know, each slot You know, they’re they’re each slot is a certain amount, like, you know, for one back then. Well, I can’t think of the kid’s name that played at Oklahoma. Samsung.
Victor Arocho 16:49
That he was the he was the tailback, though. No,
Byron Jones 16:51
Sam, the quarterback from Oklahoma, he was the number one pick for the Rams A while back. And he was a reason why I can’t think was named now. I guess that’s how bad he was. But he was one of the reasons why they stopped me from bad to pick, he was great at Oklahoma. He was one of the ones that got all that upfront money. That’s what they were given them no idea first pick, you know, we’re gonna give him $56 million, or 70 million or whatever it was. And because of him, that’s when they changed the whole thing where now but the the union where their slot, you know, sir, first round pick is the second round just this third, fourth, fifth, and you know, now it’s all slotted, but back then they give all that money like that upfront money.
Victor Arocho 17:35
So if you see me looking, I’m looking at another computer. So those are you see me looking away, I’m listening to Byron, I’m trying to pull up his picks and got different computers going on. So that’s what I’m doing some that I’m paying attention at the same man
Byron Jones 17:49
was trying to say his name is Sam Bradford my
Victor Arocho 17:52
niche just thought I was gonna say that, but then he still played
Byron Jones 17:58
the Rams. But he was one of the ones that got a ton of money. When he came out. The first year when he came, he got a ton of money. And then after that, they were like, you know what, you know, we’re giving all these rookies, all his money, when you got these guys put in a time 2345 years, and they’re not getting paid, he’s walking in the door getting paid. That’s when they changed it when he came out. Right. So now it’s limited on their rookie days. It’s all slotted, you know, first round gets this second, third and fourth, you know, and all the way down but each pick.
Victor Arocho 18:26
Right? And how long is they sewn on those wins, their wins wins the rookie contract up,
Byron Jones 18:32
which to me is smart, right? It’s four years in the fifth year, the option so it’s five years back.
Victor Arocho 18:39
The fifth year, so you get you get your minimum,
Byron Jones 18:43
you get flying years. Yeah, you get four years. And if they pick, you know, if you don’t stay, then pick up your fifth year option. So true.
Unknown Speaker 18:55
via a little bit more direct if
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BIOS can be.
Unknown Speaker 19:05
That’s pretty funny. You know, if you don’t stake
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Victor Arocho 19:12
I just thought that was funny. just my opinion, but by looking at Ryan leaf, right, I mean, he was a bust. Look at Bosworth, right. I mean, that was do. He Welcome to Lee Bo Jackson. Right?
Byron Jones 19:28
Yeah, but even but back then he was he was a supplemental pig. So he didn’t get the crazy money then. Bosworth, he wasn’t gonna break it in the beginning. He got he was in a Supplemental Draft. Because he grabbed him because of the his class had not graduated yet. So he was he was later on a supplemental pick
Victor Arocho 19:48
after that’s, that’s when they didn’t allow you to draft if you didn’t get past a certain amount of years in college.
Byron Jones 19:54
Victor Arocho 19:56
Now they can draft you who changed it. Do previous Mark.
Byron Jones 20:02
Well, the pre Herschel Walker Herschel Walker was the first one when he tried to see what happened with him. He
Victor Arocho 20:08
Herschel Walker was the first one that was we tried, he went to the jet all he didn’t go to us about Yeah, he went to USFL. But he was the first undergrad. That guy trash bag plate went to the NFL, which is they started changing.
Byron Jones 20:25
or looking at running back from Ohio State years ago, a few years ago, he
Unknown Speaker 20:28
tried to was his name, Barkat. He was awesome, too.
Byron Jones 20:35
And look what happened to him. He tried to leave early, and the NFL put their foot down. They hurt him and made him in the next you know,
Victor Arocho 20:43
he was that was a bad direction from advisors. I remember that. I remember his name, shoot account have come to me. They hurt him. They hurt him bad.
Byron Jones 20:55
He should have stayed in school.
Victor Arocho 20:56
Yeah, but you know, he’s 1819 years old. Come on, Byron, man. It’s got to be you know, you need some direction there.
Byron Jones 21:03
Yeah, that’s cool. Listen, your mother, listen, your father, your dad to get education. And
Victor Arocho 21:09
he may know he only had a mom. Right? So you don’t know Viet a father and his mommy? Yeah. I think it was Clarice. Yeah. Maurice claret. All right. I told you to come to me Yeah, they that hurt man. That kid was awesome.
Byron Jones 21:25
Yeah. And then any trade coming back a couple times with Denver he got well they picked it up as a third round pick with no sign in bonus you know if you make it or you don’t he didn’t make it. I think he went to jail for a man
Victor Arocho 21:40
when he got in trouble and so knowing he didn’t the other kid did the guy play for the dolphins he was a beast. I don’t know if correct maybe correct. Went to later but he didn’t go there was the one for the dolphins that went to Sky which is like a massive they showed him hitting in a locker that like you didn’t like the guy was made out of metal. So what else is happening over there with giants? So we got the pick a Leonard Williams. Alright, so let’s go into your your mock draft I pulled I pulled it up. Right. So I got here. You got 11 so you think we’re gonna get the vontae Smith? Yeah, I would love that. Okay, let’s go. We got Trevor Lawrence. Now what I got here is got Trevor Lawrence at number one. That’s easy, right? You got? Oh, you got to jet did jets taking them? Hold on. I’m trying to get to Facebook to make sure. Why can I reload this damn thing?
Unknown Speaker 22:38
Unknown Speaker 22:41
somebody get on my phone and do it?
Unknown Speaker 22:43
So you got
Byron Jones 22:48
to get it. But now they’re gonna have to
Victor Arocho 22:52
pull it. You got I can’t I can’t get into Facebook. So sorry. Guess if I don’t see your comments here. Um, so you got? You think Exactly. You think Zack Wilson is gonna go that high? Yes. And what are you gonna do with Donald? trade him?
Byron Jones 23:10
Somebody’s gonna take him for a lower pay. No, they’re not gonna get a one. They might get a three or four. But they know they’re going to trade him for something. Do you
Victor Arocho 23:18
think they’re going to trade? So in your draft? You’re of the opinion that they’re going to pick this guy and then trade?
Byron Jones 23:29
Yes. or trade him during the draft?
Victor Arocho 23:33
Really? I like Donald I think he’s gonna do good somewhere else
Unknown Speaker 23:41
probably. He’s kind of a Washington Redskins.
Victor Arocho 23:48
Yeah cuz they got rid of Alex Smith.
Byron Jones 23:50
Which is they did they did him dirty. That wasn’t right. They did a third yes the only way you can put it that’s the only way I could just put it put it out there you know he was he was come back a year you know the guy was lost his leg. Now I understand as a business but then you got to turn around you got to do it like that, you know not even gonna give them another opportunity to win the job and then I will you know what? Thanks but no, thank you my 501 goodbye. And basically that’s what they did.
Victor Arocho 24:17
Yeah, that’s they did him better. I’m on trying to get on Facebook. Well, my computer’s out. So let me go back to your your piece. So Zach from BYU BYU usually produces pretty good quarterbacks but man, I don’t know. I’d hate to go to the Jets. What do you have what’s QB wr? cB edge Fs definitely see the need
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Victor Arocho 24:42
Those are their needs, right? So jaguars need obviously cuvie offensive tackle thief. Oh, man. They need a lot of offensive help based on your bike draft. Dolphins. Wide Receiver Yeah. Tighten. Why do you put court back.
Byron Jones 25:02
They need a backup just in case every daily. Yep, just in case because they don’t have a Fitzpatrick so they’re gonna need somebody. Wait a fit ready to go, he
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Byron Jones 25:13
He just probably go somewhere else he’s free. I
Victor Arocho 25:18
mean that’s the wife, a Harvard grad making that kind of money is just traveling through the league joining football. I got the Falcons from North Dakota State quarterback
Byron Jones 25:31
training. I haven’t even heard of him. How did he get up to number four? Because that’s the guy that they played one game this year. And he they just put in them that you know, he can run. And somebody today on TV can try to compare him to Lamar Jackson. I hate when I’m just that’s, that’s what the guy said the same things I really he said, you know, Mars this, this guy is able to play one game this year. They only have one North Kansas thing. So we’ll see how he makes out.
Victor Arocho 26:04
But I hate when they do that. I hate when they compare like an unproven person one. And then when they they compare someone who hasn’t had like the sustainability, right, someone who’s played long enough, right? He you could be great for one year. But if you compare them Jordan, you compare them to Emmitt Smith, you compare them in this era. I mean, I hate that because it’s not what you did in one year. It’s what you did. From your longevity. Can you do it consistent? Is that fair? Yeah. Right. I mean, it just, it drives me nuts. When the second they want to compare the next jord. You know, and then now the next little Brian, right. And I’m still, as much as I’m not as a LeBron fan. And I want to get I will go back to that later. Just you know, for me, you know, you’re going to debate the Jordan piece because of the last dance, which makes it different. But to see this guy at his age to play, he’s up for an MVP award.
Oh, man, you know, there’s a point where you got to say, look, you know, it’s like Cal Ripken never won a World Series, right? I’m believing 1111 Okay, but he was, you know, he played so many games. Right? That’s what made him so great. And he was probably he was the largest he was the tallest or biggest shortstop of the time.
Byron Jones 27:41
There he was. A little guy.
Victor Arocho 27:43
No, he’s huge shortstops you usually little guys that can cover a lot of ground. Not anymore. No, yeah, they broke the mold. He was one but they went to that still and then you started getting cheaters. You know, Alex Rodriguez isn’t a little guy. No more. Yeah, I mean, this is they were big. These are big shortstops in the Cal Ripken was ahead of his time but he never stopped playing and you got to give it back to my giants you got to give me like credit. He like played a lot of games man.
Byron Jones 28:14
Man well they have nobody replaced him
Unknown Speaker 28:18
he get her
Byron Jones 28:20
well that probably helped to
Victor Arocho 28:21
okay so you know give a guy credit that can play take that many snaps in a league where you got a bunch of guys like you come in
Byron Jones 28:32
they don’t want to get rid of the ball he can get rid of all i don’t care get rid of the ball
Victor Arocho 28:39
he got lucky he got rid of the ball the other guys who get slammed
Byron Jones 28:43
he had a very good offensive line.
Victor Arocho 28:45
Okay, he has no he give no love my boy my boy Eli. Let’s get back to your what you got here all right so dolphins I’m on quarterback so you you so you’re saying they need a quarterback from backup. I do believe they need a receiver tight end I’m good with you know their defense is good. So quarterbacks always good to pick up a quarterback. Um, you got this North Dakota State quarterback that’s the bogey away. I don’t even know what is Trey Lance. He’s
Byron Jones 29:15
one. He’s one of the top five coming out.
Unknown Speaker 29:17
I understand. But he’s the head of Mack Jones
Byron Jones 29:20
for now. But it’s subject to change. It’s gonna change again next week.
Victor Arocho 29:24
We know who is no code of state play. What kind of
Byron Jones 29:29
Carson Wentz came from there.
Unknown Speaker 29:31
Okay, now that worked out.
Unknown Speaker 29:33
He’s not a bad quarterback. He’s been a bad quarterback
Victor Arocho 29:37
when it’s not like he’s been a great quarterback either. Right? I mean,
Byron Jones 29:41
he has circumstances you know, he needs a change of scenery. He’s still out here. woodstown for $1.7 million over here. Right you know right over the break. even buy it with what
Victor Arocho 29:54
is your retirement money.
Unknown Speaker 29:55
Byron Jones 29:58
In New Jersey, I have to pay tax on my pension. Right here. I am good. I’m staying right here in Pennsylvania.
Victor Arocho 30:06
Alright so you got the Bengals and they got offensive attack it the Bengals I don’t really care about the manga, so I’m gonna skip them. All right. My like, What’s his name? Our buddy the quarterback for Louisiana. Night he’s in Bengal so he said yeah, he’s many
Unknown Speaker 30:26
girls. Yeah, yeah.
Victor Arocho 30:27
I like him. He needs Oh, yeah he needs yeah he got mentum line and he needs a lot they need more than what you put down. You put more positions for the top floor than you did for bangles. The mangles like he should just put etc. The Eagles, Kyle petrom. That’s for Florida, right side in my receiver. Yes, true. Eagles. You think they need a backup quarterback? Yes, that’s gonna hurt our Alabama voice.
Byron Jones 31:00
Yeah, but they might get hurt. You know, they might get a because the owner said, we’re gonna give him a chance to succeed. So guess what the owner came out said, Well, hey, we’re gonna give this guy a chance. You got to go ahead and around them with weapons. And all they’re going to do is find some quarterback. You know, that’s, you know, off the street. Some backup guy. be done with it?
Victor Arocho 31:21
We’ll see. Right? Because then you got to kid that kid from Washington, right that came off the grocery line. And now he’s got to catch back to your
Unknown Speaker 31:30
country. You don’t really?
Victor Arocho 31:32
Hey, look, man, God bless. Right. That’s the way to stay. That’s the way to stay prepared. Alright, so then we got the egos cut and copy. Okay. Lyons, Penn State linebacker cornerback they need it’s just line and they got um, what’s up Jared Goff Right. Right. So we’ll see their lines is I don’t know what do you think about the line? It’s just a problem, man. It’s just like, stash was a great bag. I thought they were gonna be phenomenal when they got they got Stafford they had Megatron and they think they got a running back. So they had all three major positions all at the same time. And they did okay, but but they still
Byron Jones 32:14
had the same grater.
Victor Arocho 32:17
Yeah, I guess that’s what it is. Cuz I liked Stafford remember, I like Georgia. I’m a Georgia fan. And then they had Megatron from, you know, Georgia Tech. And then they had a killer running back. And we look at barry sanders retired and he really didn’t want to retire he’s going on.
Unknown Speaker 32:34
So he said I can’t take this anymore. I quit.
Victor Arocho 32:38
Well, he didn’t quit. He just couldn’t take any more. It’s not worth him playing. Why can’t beat up? I don’t I don’t look at barry sanders as quitter. From my perspective, I like that word. For me. I just look at it as like, why am I gonna keep doing the things that I’m doing to get my body penalised? And when the ownership is not doing what they need to do, because Barry Sanders, one of the greatest running backs I’ve ever seen. Well, he was
Byron Jones 33:05
it wasn’t like he was doing it for free. He was getting paid on it. He just walked away from the contract. I quit. I know, I retired. I’m sorry.
Victor Arocho 33:16
Tom, why See? You know, and why are you going to take that punishment? Listen to me. You know, what, as a lineman, you know, you get hit on every play. Right? Okay. Right, you get hit one on one on every play. One on two, on every play, running back gets hit four or five different players on every play.
Byron Jones 33:40
Victor Arocho 33:47
You know, you would think Yeah, I would think you’d have more empathy as an X player in the NFL than I do. Know, right? Because, you know, it’s easy for someone to sit on the sidelines and say, Oh, you know, oh, I wanted this and that and oh, no, you know, me being someone who’s, you know, played the game, not at that level, but know what it takes and knows the game. You know, the runningback like Ricky woods, I mean, there’s a point where, you know, this running pass, good day, either getting hit, or they’re hitting on every single play, no different than linemen. That’s why like, you know, the average NFL 10 years, three and a half years, a lot of it’s due to lineman, right, defensive and offensive lineman, right. And even running backs to some degree. But you know, that’s a tough position. So, I don’t know, I give Megatron and Barry Sanders and those guys are able to walk away from the game at an early age. I give him credit. They made enough money he got paid. Yeah, so as long as he does good with his money afterwards, but I just think something’s wrong with Detroit.
Unknown Speaker 35:01
Yeah, here it is. Dude,
Victor Arocho 35:03
this is this is I don’t want to get it. Alright, so now we’re in the Broncos. man got my boys and teen going on the Broncos. So now the Cowboys by rather than go to the Cowboys. I mean the Broncos in the cow.
Byron Jones 35:17
You skip the Panthers. Justin fields.
Unknown Speaker 35:20
Oh, Justin fields.
Unknown Speaker 35:22
Oh yeah, that’s
Victor Arocho 35:23
right I skipped the bank. Justin fields quarterback they needed an offensive tackle quarterback Justin fields, you know they’re up and down with him. That’s funny. Like they’re criticizing them. They’re not criticizing him and again, Matt Jones is in that in the arena. I don’t understand this kid. He’s smart. He’s won a national championship. He’s got his master’s degree in two and a half years. I mean, I think he’s gonna be able to pick up a playbook. How is how are these guys jumping ahead of them? So I like Justin fields but I mean, how many quarterbacks successful quarterbacks came in Ohio State?
Unknown Speaker 36:07
recent recent none.
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Byron Jones 36:13
The jury’s still out.
Unknown Speaker 36:15
My point. Right.
Byron Jones 36:17
Really? I don’t.
Victor Arocho 36:19
What’s my point? Like so, you know, they make the Ohio State Creed’s crazy defensive line. I mean, to go from the BOCES to the the next who that they’re becoming like defensive line University. You know how like Penn State used to be linebacker University long in the day, Miami was quarterback University. You know, Ohio State’s producing some incredible defensive lineman.
Byron Jones 36:50
No big daddy, Dan Wilkerson. Back in the day. He was a number one pick from Ohio State. So they had their share come through. Now.
Victor Arocho 36:58
Well, quarterbacks are line linemen. Yeah. But look at the BOCES and you got What’s his name? The miles.
Byron Jones 37:05
Orlando pace. Orlando.
Unknown Speaker 37:07
You know what I’m
Victor Arocho 37:08
talking about defensive linemen defensive side. Every year they have a defensive lineman. At least for like the last four to five years. And when they come out number one they produce. So there’s one thing that they’re delivering number one picks right out of Ohio State their delivery number one picks that are producing what’s the guy the guy from from the Redskins. He’s from Ohio. Who’s the rookie that you like Myles?
Byron Jones 37:41
Young Trey. Chase. Yeah, yeah.
Victor Arocho 37:43
Chase young. He’s from Boise. Yep. Okay, he came after Joey bosa. Nick bosa. And then him. That’s a lot of great defensive linemen
Byron Jones 37:53
back to back to back to back. Yeah, and
Victor Arocho 37:55
there’s another one coming. Later, whatever. The new one on the defensive side. He’s doing the code job. I just haven’t seen good quarterbacks coming out of there. And I don’t know if that Justin fields is better than Mack Jones. What’s that
Byron Jones 38:11
is that offense, state run?
Victor Arocho 38:13
Whatever it is, but you know, great defense, so you can tell Devens win championships. So pay Panthers. The Panthers does need a lot of stuff. I’m not really sold on the Panthers and where they got rid of my boy Roger Ver. Patrick’s attain some Patrick’s attained the Cowboys are losing that opportunity to get him so he jumped up because he was number 10. Before who would he jump up who went down early.
Byron Jones 38:38
They just swapped for all he was ahead of him and then just swapped him. As far as he didn’t play this year. He was a woman COVID you know, opt out this year. Oh, I didn’t like some of the things I’ve written about this guy he doesn’t like to tackle.
Victor Arocho 38:52
So you think you think the Cowboys I mean, I can see them taking Patrick’s to tank?
Byron Jones 38:57
Right? He’s gonna tackle you want to you want to corner that’s gonna tackle somebody.
Victor Arocho 39:02
Right. But I just think do you think that based on what they when we get into the deck conversation that they’re going to go on the defensive side? They’re not going to say okay, I just paid you $75 million. just assign How am I going to give you an offensive receiver? When I
Byron Jones 39:19
was looking at there as far as like the whole way to the salary thing for whole team. They got a whole lot of money invested on the offense. The defense is like beer, but like it’s like 120 million over here. Like 60 million for the defense. Oh,
Victor Arocho 39:34
hold on. Tony’s trying to get in. Oh, oh. Oh, this is my dad. Or my this is my mom, my stepmom my dad are you guys kind of get in? Hello.
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records Oh yeah.
Victor Arocho 40:00
You got to put your audio on. Where’s my dad? That’s my stepmom. Ah,
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We can see you because she didn’t hear you as a Santa.
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Victor Arocho 40:19
I don’t think I remember seeing her and glasses. Can you hear me? Can you not hear me? We could see you so I gotta like, maybe take that off because you may not want us.
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Victor Arocho 40:40
You gotta get some sound on So then we’re then we’re good noon. All right. So um. Cowboys, so. I don’t know. You like this gig Farley from Virginia Tech. He’s good.
Byron Jones 40:57
He’s good. But he’s just not a tackler. He’s actually covered He’s like, the unsign sander. I’m not saying he’s at that level. But he’s one of those guys he’ll cover Yeah, you don’t worry about who’s gonna come up and tackle somebody.
Victor Arocho 41:08
Yeah. Hey, but if you could shut down one side of the field you’re in good shape. But you also want to go to tackle somebody you know need to sit down the best receiver that’s on Deon cared about you sit down the entire side
Byron Jones 41:21
until you got that big 220 pound running back Come on. What do you got to get out the bag
Victor Arocho 41:26
didn’t matter Deon if he you wouldn’t throw another receipt is eliminated one option in your office. I mean, I mean, I mean you can’t deny regardless of how I love the US and I you know I’m a defensive back so to be able to leave that good cover anyone and you shut down that whole side of the field and if you even dare to throw it his way and don’t get me wrong Dan’s been beat but you’re taking the chance that if he gets the ball he can run it back and he got ran for two four threes and
Byron Jones 42:03
if you have that big 225 pound running back coming on a tour sweet
Victor Arocho 42:07
Yeah, but that’s a lie so linemen and linebackers then all these people draw as a defensive back if I’m getting into running back is getting to me right? It’s a running back is getting to me that deep you guys are doing your job. Oh, I got to do my job and tackle Don’t get me wrong, but I’m the last resort besides zebras right? But at the end of the day I am again tackling running backs.
Byron Jones 42:36
So if they’re gonna talk they’re gonna toss me and that comes to your side to the short linebacker
Unknown Speaker 42:41
kick kick them up.
Byron Jones 42:42
They block isn’t that the outside guys job to come up the forces back inside
Victor Arocho 42:49
tackling there’s a big difference between forcing them inside and tackling
Byron Jones 42:54
Yeah, you don’t defer the backlash or go to force you don’t they don’t they dive down on the ground because it’s so obvious that it’s discovered
Victor Arocho 43:01
everyday as long as you force him back to your brothers on the inside. Yeah. Job is it alignment Do you want that guy running on the outside you want to make him to run inside the van you’re trying to let them get on the outside and you wanted to run back inside forcing them inside yes okay great safety defensive back does not you’re supposed to tackle fighting against the quarterback you’re you’re supposed to limit the the seconds a quarterback throws so we can get the ball in the air
Byron Jones 43:42
I’m fighting for all this work to get to the outside you know they cut it back inside and you got the little 160 pounds in the back comes running up and dives on the ground and the force it back then
Victor Arocho 43:55
But yeah, exactly but you because you did it if I’m dying to get him back in which I was a tackler but if you have to dive or Deion Sanders and die to get him back in he did his job because you did it.
Byron Jones 44:11
But anyway, going back to the draft moving along man,
Victor Arocho 44:16
you know a leg rear are both defensive players so I’m gonna say wait a second timeout for some inside for some inside. Move along. That’s all right. Okay, so now we got we got what we got here we got cat okay giants.
Unknown Speaker 44:32
Oh man. I
Victor Arocho 44:33
will let you really think he’s gonna fall that low. I’ll take the bug Smith. Well, it’s gonna take him or it’s attain. I’ll take devonta Smith. That guy. He’s like Victor Cruz to me. He’s got something to prove. He’s better than Victor Cruz played at a higher level but you know Victor Cruz deliver? right but but Andy’s Puerto Rican, so you know, shout out but just
Byron Jones 44:56
remember spoiler alert because of what the Giants did. Today as well, yesterday, as far as getting ready to guard, it might change where, you know, they might have to go a different direction, and then draft the receiver later in the second round. It’s a possibility. I’m just saying, you’ll see next week, you know, things are suffering because
Victor Arocho 45:14
you’re saying it may have to pick up a lineman.
Byron Jones 45:17
Yep. Right. Like the ones that are like free agents now that are now the ones that are scrappy. You know, when
Victor Arocho 45:24
I would go, I would go for the I would go for the goal. I would take the Heisman Trophy winner That said, the Heisman Trophy winner is never 10
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Victor Arocho 45:37
best been something sapling that’s wrong.
Byron Jones 45:41
That’s because he’s a little he’s kind of if he was bigger if he was like, like six foot one, like 190 pounds or 200 pounds, he probably would be in the top three he probably they probably might even be your he wouldn’t be that Lawrence, but he definitely be true.
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Byron Jones 45:56
he just not that big of you. When you look at him, it’s like that he really not I don’t think he’s 175 pounds at all giant
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Byron Jones 46:02
take him off course I’ve taken that die fan, I
Victor Arocho 46:05
take him I don’t care about the offensive line right now. Because of the sake one comes back and stays healthy.
Unknown Speaker 46:10
Victor Arocho 46:11
You’re you’re gonna you’re gonna have a problem. Um, we got a garment, hopefully he comes back, we get another running back there. And you need we need, we need a receiver we need we need. We need a receiver, we need a tight end, that can catch the ball
Byron Jones 46:28
shot on a regular basis. It all starts up front. They don’t have a guy that block that good. That’s true. But they know, you know,
Victor Arocho 46:37
someone will rise at that position. I just think that, you know, for me, I don’t want to pass up on talent and a Trophy winner as a kid that kid’s got something to prove man if he was he was supposed to do what he did. And and, you know, my Alabama, Alabama friends are probably like loving what we’re talking about. I like that kid.
Byron Jones 47:01
If he’s the highest rank guy on your board, when it goes a pig you got to take regardless, whatever your needs are. I
Victor Arocho 47:07
agree that we’re on the same page. I’m just saying he’s too talented. That if he’s on the board, when it’s your time to pick, you need to take that kid. Yes. Because it’s not like you’re you’re the Jets or the bangles or you’re you know, you got it. You got a shot. And then in the lousy conference that we have, you need talented players. You can’t teach talent right away You got it, you can improve it, but you can’t teach talent that kid is loaded loaded with talent. And you start adding Ingram put in some stick him on his hands. And you you got say Guan who I believe you’re going to have a banner year. It’s going to give it’s going to give you know hopefully Danny Jones some some more confidence and as long as he doesn’t trip and fall when he runs we’re in good shape.
Unknown Speaker 48:01
Yeah. All right.
Victor Arocho 48:03
All right. So let’s see what else we got. These are pretty good. I like what you got so far. So Alright, so this is what I cared about. I was about 11 So look, I cared about in your top 11 right. These are who I wanted. If I had the chance I’ll be 11 and then we’ll keep going okay, I’m cow pit right certeyn devonta Smith a cmts you got
Unknown Speaker 48:33
Parsons a linebacker
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Byron Jones 48:38
Victor Arocho 48:42
oh yeah. Penn State dollars great linebackers. That’s another row where we just talking about linebacker you are defensive and you are a quarterback you you know a Penn State at one time was linebacker you right they were producing linebacker, the linebackers that the linebackers right off to take a linebacker I’m not familiar with him too much. Tell me a little bit about this guy.
Byron Jones 49:07
He opted out this year. And you know he’s he was a four or five star when he came out of high school. And he’s supposed to be tremendous. He can either play inside linebacker he can play outside and he can Blitz. So with Patrick Graham, their coordinator, our coordinator could do a lot of things when a guy like this
Victor Arocho 49:29
and with Lennar William tree, you know franchised
Unknown Speaker 49:33
angry Alright, so
Victor Arocho 49:36
we got the 40. Niners right when he’s Oh, he’s from Miami University My name
Byron Jones 49:43
Yeah, they opted out to play the chair. Right Well, if he’s seen University of Miami the big you I’ll go for him.
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you know, either
Victor Arocho 49:52
you know, I’m a big you fan, or you got chargers and we care about saints tray with Vikings and select match. Jones QB interesting. So they got who do they have? They have that big guy, right? Who taysom. Hill taysom. Hill they got drew coming back.
Byron Jones 50:14
Maybe he’s haven’t decided yet.
Victor Arocho 50:16
Wait a sec, I thought he decided he was coming back.
Byron Jones 50:18
They haven’t heard any they still haven’t said anything. Unless he was a free agent.
Victor Arocho 50:25
He said he was coming to the eye on the report was he’s coming back. So I was surprised. Listen, again. That’s the whole point about our show. We have to keep up to date. Because, you know, I can’t pre send our producers what’s happening because it changes before a show, Captain. So you got him. You got Tyler Hill, right? And then if
Unknown Speaker 50:45
they had jamis,
Victor Arocho 50:46
and they got Jamison that they had that,
Byron Jones 50:49
huh? He’s a free agent. Oh,
Victor Arocho 50:52
yeah. I’m not sure who’s but they like they were high on Jamison. They put Jamison overtime. Tyson Hill. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 51:00
Interesting. Yeah, that worked out.
Victor Arocho 51:03
Well know what hasn’t worked out yet. They were just grooming you. They felt that he would fit into to
Byron Jones 51:09
this office. If they were to groom him groom or Shawn. They should he wouldn’t be a free agent right now if they wanted to keep and they were assigned. Unless they don’t have any money. Well, they’re one of the ones that don’t have
Victor Arocho 51:20
to be a free agent. Like he could say I want to stay as a free agent before you sign me or you rather just sign previews he got assigned before to see but they they’re, they’re one of the ones that don’t have any cap space they have. There’s one of the worst ones as far as cap space in the league. That’s probably why they didn’t sign it. That’s good for my Tampa Bay Bucs. Email my tiny fan but I you know, I want Brady to win and oh, giants win. Only time the only time I root against them. Yeah. All right. So you got the saints. I can’t I don’t think the saints are gonna take Mack Jones.
Byron Jones 51:57
They need a quarterback.
Victor Arocho 51:59
I think I think Drew Brees is coming back. I think I like Tyson Hill. He’s a big boy. They got Jamison mean, they got probably they need other things outside of that. They also need reps to make good calls.
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Victor Arocho 52:16
because they got screwed. Alright. Washington, Washington scares me. They’re dangerous. I like Ben Rivera. That defense of line is crazy. They didn’t quarterback they screwed Alex Smith. They ruined Dwayne Haskins. So you think they’re going to trade and they’re going to change Jason waddle why receiver? Okay. Right. Alabama’s producing a lot of guy who’s going to be the quarterback?
Byron Jones 52:45
Just depends. You can probably get some free agent guy. No, they have the hediki kid is there. They could get instant games. They could get Sam Donald knows.
Victor Arocho 52:57
I like him Mickey. Why don’t like kenickie. But he played pretty well for a guy who came off the grocery line.
Byron Jones 53:04
I guess he didn’t get Sam Donald.
Unknown Speaker 53:08
That would be that would be good for them and I could for us
Byron Jones 53:14
if they get sat down and guess what? They go right to the top and decent division? Because we’re gonna defense the coach. Yeah,
Victor Arocho 53:24
let me think about the record wasn’t that good last year, and they did pretty well.
Byron Jones 53:28
Based on defense only defensive. Yeah. When did division.
Victor Arocho 53:33
Alright, so um, I don’t want to keep going down. We’ll save some of this for a little bit later. When’s the draft coming up?
Byron Jones 53:39
April 27. somewhere nice. So
Victor Arocho 53:42
we got time. I want to get into a couple of other things. We’re already at CES time flew. We just went on 10 we were on pick number 15. That’s you
Unknown Speaker 53:55
man. What did we miss me? Like want to analyze it?
Unknown Speaker 54:01
What do you
Victor Arocho 54:03
analyze? How long does the draft take?
Byron Jones 54:06
We make three four hours or longer than that.
Victor Arocho 54:10
Okay, great. Exactly. I took him 15 less than 30 minutes. No, there was a lot more analyzing going on there. Okay, just
Byron Jones 54:18
one more the kid right here number 16. Jc horn. Remember Joe horn to wide receiver from the saints?
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Byron Jones 54:26
That’s his son. Oh, really
Victor Arocho 54:28
amazing that when when you get off spring stead still that good because, you know you don’t know who you marry. It’s not like you know what I mean? The genes doesn’t just go one side. I just love that. Jason horn Saqqara he’s a quarterback. Yep. Well, all my god what do you think they need an edge rusher? They just sign JJ Watt
Byron Jones 54:50
because they need one. You always need more because you don’t know what Chantal Jones. He’s always heard. The losing on. Hassan Reddick the guy that was All world against the giants that day. We have a 15 sacks against Russia. So he’s Marketo so you always need x. You always need garlic.
Victor Arocho 55:12
I don’t think they would spend it on another edge rusher FC shining JJ Watt. Yeah, but
Byron Jones 55:16
JJ is 32 years old and he’s heard on mad, he’s a stud. You always need more. He’s a stud. He’s
Victor Arocho 55:22
a stand up guy. He’s gonna come prepared. He’s got something to prove. Hey, what’s up with that? Let me ask the question. Those ice bat tests, it’s gotta be hard as heck.
Byron Jones 55:37
What they get to get into suck, man awful. isn’t that bad?
Victor Arocho 55:44
till you get accustomed, like once you’re in, but get any. That’s gotta be crazy.
Byron Jones 55:50
When you get in and I’ve done it back in the day. It is absolutely brutal. Trying to get into that thing. You know, you sit there you know. You put your Put your feet in next and then you’re you got the trainer yelling at you. And then you just plop yourself down and hit next you know better stuff. Like
Victor Arocho 56:09
it lights you up like a Christmas tree. Okay, so when you get out, that’s when you get fit into your spending.
Byron Jones 56:14
Really, don’t we go back to my spam
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because then you won’t be showing us so much.
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Victor Arocho 56:24
Alright, so we’re gonna continue on this piece here to Washington. So so we ended up I still don’t think they’re going to pick up an edge rusher. Maybe defensive back I doubt they take another lineman. I can’t imagine signing JJ Watt. And picking another lineman
Byron Jones 56:40
because this is my opinion. I’m just saying they’re losing one. You lose one you got to replace them. But somebody I’m not saying gonna be a first round pick. But you know, second, third, fourth or fifth round pick because there’s plenty of you got about 15 was just a need. Oh, no,
Unknown Speaker 56:56
no, no. Oh, yeah. That’s a quarterback You
Unknown Speaker 56:58
got that? Just need that’s all. Alright, let’s
Victor Arocho 57:02
get into it. Yeah, I want to keep going. So it doesn’t matter what what the what time and we have here. sportscast. Okay. So, alright, let’s let’s get into the, you know, marks out around as he’s coming around this DAC. Okay, so I even posted this on Facebook, right? Um, okay, so who won in this negotiation? Did Dak when jerry jones when
Byron Jones 57:33
Dak won that one because people don’t sit there think about the first four years of his contract. He made 900,000, like 1.21 or 2.1, or something like that? No, he overperformed on a contract, you have to admit that he did it. You know, it didn’t go to Super Bowl. They didn’t do certain things. But he performed
Victor Arocho 57:58
he was worth more. Okay. I will say that he was worth more than way more than the numbers you just gave?
Byron Jones 58:06
Victor Arocho 58:07
Let’s just put it that way. Right. Regardless of where the victories or where he went, the numbers he just gave me. He was way, way more worth than those type of numbers. Gone.
Byron Jones 58:23
And he felt that he should have got paid and guess what? He got paid. All he’s doing like he figured he’s getting 40 minutes average and 40 million a year. He’s, he’s getting the same. You know, he’s in the same category, not the same kind of quarterback but the same category as Carson Wentz got paid,
Unknown Speaker 58:40
getting 75 million buyers.
Byron Jones 58:45
I’m talking about the average the average over the counter,
Unknown Speaker 58:49
getting $75 million with his signature, and what’s
Unknown Speaker 58:54
wrong with that?
Victor Arocho 58:55
That’s awesome. I’m not saying anything wrong with that. I’m just saying do Yeah, when you do it, but the way they structured it, they freed up, they still allow them to cap space.
Unknown Speaker 59:07
They still have
Victor Arocho 59:09
$25 million. God bless him. I and you know, let me say some I know I’m not a cowboy fan. III know I don’t like the Cowboys. I dislike the Cowboys. I like that. Now remember last year, one of my biggest things about Dak that I said that I was so impressed with all this social injustice stuff that’s going on and I believe we need to continue working on that. Okay. But decades, you know, as an African American as a black guy. His donation was a million dollars to the police department to enhance training for those types of situations.
Unknown Speaker 59:55
To me, that
Victor Arocho 59:55
was great money spent
Unknown Speaker 59:58
to get me to get paid by God.
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No this is
Victor Arocho 1:00:03
gonna diminish could guide me. Let me finish your terrible, terrible. I can’t hear you can’t win. So Mike, and I hate the Cowboys, but I had nothing but respect for DAC when he did that because everybody else can throw stones everybody else could share this and yes there’s has got to be correction and social injustice to think about it so many people of color are in jail for for cannabis. Right? Okay and good whether you like it or not now it’s recreational but there’s so many minorities that are in jail for nonviolent crimes that are legal today. Okay, so let’s say that now you got these injustice of men, you know getting shot, the shouldn’t get shot, okay? But he took his money instead of anti he said, Look, train these guys. He put a million he put his money where his mouth is number one. That’s why I like them. And I said that last year on a podcast number two, what I liked him is he stayed quiet during all this time.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:13
He was just testing me I you know, I hate Dallas. So we’re clear. Mortal, Maria.
Victor Arocho 1:01:23
But you know, there’s a difference between hating a team and respecting a player. Huge difference for me. Okay. And I just loved how he handled himself. I love how he just stay quiet. I love how even complain. I love how he didn’t feel like he was getting this piece. And he just played it out. And I am nothing but a static that he’s got the largest signing bonus in history. If I’m not, if I’m mistaken.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:55
You’re absolutely right.
Unknown Speaker 1:01:57
Sad 75 million to sign your name. You told me the last couple of times on a podcast but I’ll take half of that for like a million or 2 million. This is $75 million
Victor Arocho 1:02:14
to sign a football like an autograph. Okay, so you know, God bless that, you know, I want them to have the great season I want I don’t know if we should get into what they were talking about lately, but and we will. To me, that’s what I like promoting. is not about color. It’s nothing about anything. It was about an athlete who. who ended up getting his worth, if not even more, he handled himself. He did everything during the toughest times. He wasn’t in the news. He wasn’t complaining. He wasn’t utilizing race. He went and did he just were jersey guys. We believe in stand up blue color. Food people. Yes. And he’s one of them. And you know, so I’m happy. Now. My other side is the fact that they franchise them twice. Everyone goes Oh, that’s a great thing. Because when he’s 31 here’s my opinion on that. I think they, in my opinion, maybe they kind of screwed him because no other team is gonna want a franchisor to pay him 140% of his last contract. Why would you franchise
Byron Jones 1:03:38
just to get them locked in their money? Anything or all the people that are he’s comparable to as far as like what age as a contract they got?
Victor Arocho 1:03:46
I got a man I’m talking about now his third one you know how you said after? Yeah, what I understood is that after two friends if you get a third franchise, you got to pay him 140% or something like that of their last contract.
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Victor Arocho 1:04:01
So that’s what I’m talking about. I’m thinking that gay you know they franchise them I’m happy got his money. But you could look at a two sides that it kinda like what team’s gonna say I pay you but I’m not going to franchise tag. I’ll franchise tag my line, man. I’ve rented something else. I’m like a franchise you at 32 years old to pay you 142% of the contract you just signed that was crazy. That’s what I’m asking.
Byron Jones 1:04:30
You know, the one that used to give franchise like the left hand edge rushers, quarterbacks rarely, and you know for this to happen the way they you know, kind of Jerry Jones backfired and screwed yourself. I’m pretty much saying that he should have paid him two years ago and he would have been in a boat that he’s in now.
Victor Arocho 1:04:54
I agree but they’re they’re the analysts are saying that DAX has got to even An extra bonus by getting franchise tags again. And I disagree with that. I’m of the opinion that no other team is going to franchise them a third time to pay him that amount of money when like you said you’re going to franchise a defensive tackle defense event you’re the franchise they run in, but you know, you had a franchise someone else. But why would you franchise a 30 something year old quarterback? That
Unknown Speaker 1:05:27
he’s not that Oh, no, but
Victor Arocho 1:05:29
when when this expires, he’ll be 30 to 30 something years, but
Byron Jones 1:05:33
that’s how long quarterbacks have planned out? No. 32 but not to franchise them. Why not?
Unknown Speaker 1:05:41
Brady’s not franchise?
Byron Jones 1:05:43
Yeah, because he’s Tom Brady.
Victor Arocho 1:05:49
That there’s another site to look at. I you know, they’re looking at the positive. I just don’t think the third team I don’t think he’s gonna get franchise the third time. Now is my opinion. Even if he went somewhere, just not they’re not gonna pay him that kind of money. They’re not and unless he produces like he’s producing now which then Dallas would have to franchise them again, and then they’d have to pay I’m just saying you’re 13 no way in my opinion, they’re gonna franchise that because that money is gonna, that money’s gonna leverage them big. So now with that said is how leveraged Do you think the team is? Because he’s still the way they signed them. They freed of cap space. Well, they
Byron Jones 1:06:32
got Let me see. I got it written down right here. They got like $12 million in cap space. But then I was looking at somebody you should see like somebody hasn’t paid him down. I don’t know how he did it. You got like present he there for you. You got mourns the tackle 21 Cooper points Tyrone Smith. 12 Elliot’s 15 Zack Martin 15. Others Smith jaylon. Smith is 11 million Collins a backup guard. You know, sometimes Star 10, Tyrone, Tyrone, Tyrone. Crawford and the NY even a tight end is a 5.5 minutes.
Unknown Speaker 1:07:08
I’m glad that Dallas.
Byron Jones 1:07:15
And I bought. But then we look at a time when the Giants got sold in
Victor Arocho 1:07:20
Dallas, how does cap space work? Like an hour? It’s like, that’s a little confusing to me. So let’s let the user said they have 22 million in cap space or 12.
Byron Jones 1:07:31
See the 12 or 22? million? Okay, let’s
Unknown Speaker 1:07:33
Victor Arocho 1:07:34
it’s let’s just round it right? Let’s say it’s $20 million in cap space. Right? So how does that work? like is that I’m confused with cap space. Is that just for that year? Or I like how does cap space really work? You know, for
Unknown Speaker 1:07:49
our listeners? And
Victor Arocho 1:07:50
I’d like to understand because it’s like I don’t understand, like you said you don’t understand how they’re doing it, you know better than I do. And just in general, like in theory or in like non theory and how does cap space work? We had 12 million. If you pay one guy 3 million for the year do you lose? You know, 9 million?
Byron Jones 1:08:08
How does that work? It goes, you have like the cast paid like $187 million for the whole, like the salaries for the team. Then right next to it is you have $10 million. That is called dead space. That’s guys that are no longer on the team. So they have $10 million. And you know, somebody is no longer with
Victor Arocho 1:08:32
it. But you got to pay him because they gotta pay.
Byron Jones 1:08:34
Right. Then. Like a union. Yep. And you have cuz I got it right here my hand, like the cap space like burger cowboys right now is they have 20 million $20 million 20,749,342 22 million bro, you
Victor Arocho 1:08:55
have to give me the decimal change.
Byron Jones 1:08:58
I’m sorry. 50 cents, like,
Unknown Speaker 1:09:00
okay, I’ll take the 50 cents.
Byron Jones 1:09:03
Really. But I have a total of really, you notice I use that word now? daily. So they have a total cap space of $12 million.
Victor Arocho 1:09:14
So but how does the cap space work? I don’t understand. So you got $12 million, right? Yes. What What is that? What does that mean? You can only sign $12 million worth or
Byron Jones 1:09:23
you can? Yes, 12 million. So you can either sign resigned some of your players or maybe go out and get somebody else and has also included with one the draft. So they got to free up some more money because they have a draft comment. So they got to have more money for what they have. So they can be able to sign all the draft picks as well. So right okay, so
Victor Arocho 1:09:44
you got $12 million. If you resign someone for 4 million, but the 4 million, let’s say the 4 million is over three years. Right? You divide that like no, no, let’s make it easy. 3 million over three years, so you’re only using one 1 million of your capital for the
Byron Jones 1:10:01
first year and then whatever, you know, for one, two and three, and
Victor Arocho 1:10:04
you say you do what but what about incentives and all that, that doesn’t count.
Byron Jones 1:10:08
That’s, that’s all included. That’s why they say I just got to get a bonus money doesn’t count. Like as far as like, they get the bigger bonus. That doesn’t count. They get that
Victor Arocho 1:10:17
stick. That’s what I’m asking. So let’s say let’s say you saying, you know, okay, I got $12 million in cap space. I signed a guy for three years at a million dollars. Right? So I’m only using I’m only using a million dollars of cap.
Unknown Speaker 1:10:32
Yes. Right. Okay.
Victor Arocho 1:10:34
But let’s say I signed him at a million. But based on incentives, if you play X amount of games, you know, how do you know they’re play X amount of games, you play X amount of quarters, you play, you score, or you get tackles, or you get all you know, all the things that you’re incentivized to get that now your contract if you let’s say you did all of those, and you made it to the Super Bowl, you did all that. And that extra turns into another $2 million. Right? That has nothing to do with your cap space.
Byron Jones 1:11:08
No. Okay, what do you do what I’ve read?
Victor Arocho 1:11:12
Okay, but it wouldn’t make sense. I mean, because they may remember like, I always go back to Doug Flutie, right when he played for buffalo. He was the backup and he was only playing at that time, he was playing for $600,000. But then he came in and took him to the playoffs. And based on his contract, if he did that, he got like an additional $2 million. Right. That’s extra money that has zero to do with the so performance dollars. don’t affect your cap space. Your cat space is purely on salary.
Byron Jones 1:11:48
Yes. According to what I’m reading, okay.
Victor Arocho 1:11:53
Say yes. Because if I don’t know it, most of our listeners don’t. So just go with the flow, bro.
Byron Jones 1:11:59
But then we have the Philadelphia Eagles or $26 million in the hole. Okay, so that means they got to pay luxury tax. Now they have to pay anything, they got to figure out how it has to by a certain time, it has to be under the cap. So they could even lose, they could either lose track picks, they can get fined up so they get penalized
Victor Arocho 1:12:19
if there’s not like a basketball. You just pay a luxury tax.
Byron Jones 1:12:24
No, no, no. The NFL get you?
Victor Arocho 1:12:28
Yeah, they’d like the government.
Byron Jones 1:12:31
Victor Arocho 1:12:32
Gee, man, that’s incredible. So Dallas is opening up. So again, I go back to I’m happy for that. I think they I still think the contract was done. Well, even though you know, Jerry Jones has got the money. So you pay him 75 million upfront and free up still his cap space is worked out for him. The fact that he franchised them twice works out but I think I don’t think you know, I don’t agree with the analysts that thing. They think it’s a cherry on the top for Dak. I don’t think he’s going to be franchise a third time. Just don’t.
Unknown Speaker 1:13:08
He’s good to go down. He’s good.
Victor Arocho 1:13:10
Yeah, he’s just just in general when saying he’s not going to get 140% of his last salary. Right. But they’re, you know, we’ll see what happens. It’s just Something’s Weird About those Dallas quarterbacks, like, you know, Tony Romo. They’re all great. They all put up good numbers. Right. So they just seem to have a problem when it comes playoff time.
Byron Jones 1:13:34
Oh, they need to get rid of Jerry Jones needs to go sit up in that nice luxury box and let his son run a team the way it’s supposed to be run. Instead of him meddling. he screwed up that they don’t want for Mark said this before they would have won four or five Super Bowls in a row. If he’d have just left. Jimmie Johnson alone. Let him do his thing. But he figured he was smarter than everybody else. Oh, I did fight. Well, let me hire Barry Switzer. You’re one of my other college roommate, buddy. And you know he got another one. But one of the one says
Victor Arocho 1:14:04
no, but switching one on Jones’s team.
Byron Jones 1:14:07
Yes, that was John’s team. But if Jimmy Johnson was still me,
Victor Arocho 1:14:10
Johnson I’m trying Jimmy Johnson said that he wanted Jimmie Johnson. Well, he did was manage that team. But
Byron Jones 1:14:17
if they left alone and kept Jimmie Johnson there, they don’t want four or five more. They don’t want more than what we’re calling
Victor Arocho 1:14:27
as those guys love Johnson, and most of them for his players from college anyways. Yeah, from
Byron Jones 1:14:33
Oklahoma State at Miami.
Victor Arocho 1:14:34
No, from Miami. Yeah. On the state though, you know, man. Okay, give me a player from oklahoma state that was on a team and I’ll give you a player from Miami. I
Byron Jones 1:14:46
was on that team. Huh? I gotta think about that.
Victor Arocho 1:14:51
Miko, Okay, I’m gonna start off Michael Irvin are free to Roberts You want to keep going? He was a tight end. Who else was there? linebackers? Oh my God. He had pretty much the University of Miami on Dallas.
Byron Jones 1:15:13
Are you going to beat me upside the head? No,
Victor Arocho 1:15:14
I’m just I’m just playing, you know, making sure we’re clear. It was it was the University of Miami.
Byron Jones 1:15:23
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Unknown Speaker 1:15:30
know, everybody gets paid on the team.
Victor Arocho 1:15:35
But I still feel pretty comfortable with the giants. I’m scared of Washington. You should be. I’m not scared of Philly. I don’t think Philly is going to be ready. I’m not really yet scared of Dallas, because I’m not really convinced from McCarthy beam and a maker. You know what I mean? I’m just not convinced. You know, he is Dak is awesome. He’s not Aaron Rodgers.
Byron Jones 1:15:59
If the big is a quarterback, they’re going to be my pick. For all my giants. giants. Gonna be number two. But as far as winning division that year, Washington Redskins if they get a quarterback.
Victor Arocho 1:16:12
Oh, you thrown out Danny dies.
Byron Jones 1:16:15
I’m going to write out the window.
Victor Arocho 1:16:18
I know. So that entire year last year when I was like, upset about what they did to my boy, Eli. And you were all Danny Dan you with Paul? Paul. Good terrorists. We’re calling you out Paul’s and terrorists.
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Victor Arocho 1:16:35
There’s Danny times all day he lies this crap. Eli was my man. It’s like kauflin I didn’t like kauflin till he won a championship now I love cops.
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Unknown Speaker 1:16:48
Yeah. I didn’t like kotlin. So
Byron Jones 1:16:52
I’m just letting me know I’m taking Washington one giants to Dallas three eagles and last place that I
Victor Arocho 1:16:59
gave you Okay, that’s fine. I’ll give you I’ll give you Washington. They’re still gonna go for my giants. But I’ll give you Washington. But my conversation is more about Danny dimes. Right. Everybody was all hyped on him. We’ll see. Like this year now. You know, he’s at least gonna have a running game.
Byron Jones 1:17:18
Yeah, but if they don’t fit that they don’t fix the line this year. Like now got omega I’ll be here next year because they’re gonna stink this year because they got Thomas
Victor Arocho 1:17:30
was harder which year did they have when say Quan was already putting up numbers though they didn’t have
Byron Jones 1:17:35
a little bit better what to hit now. Why not are awful you figure. Andrew Thomas did number one pick was playing with a hurt ankle. The left arm the MOU was awful. In pass protection. The center is a converted tackle. Gates, the right guard was zeiler. He’s gone. And then the other guy, Fleming was awful. So now you’re gonna have Thomas Lemieux gates Hernandez, who was awful, couldn’t get a job back from the other guy. And Matt pearl. The third round pick from this year is gonna be the line that they don’t do something about. If you’re ruthless with the awful, but it’s the truth, man. They’re awful. They’re awful.
Victor Arocho 1:18:17
As extending the program a little bit, what do you think about Okay, let me before we start signing off, what do you think about what’s happening with Wilson in Seattle? That’s a little crazy.
Byron Jones 1:18:29
Because he wants more control. Like, like I’ve been saying, you know, repeatedly like the other teams, like the other league basketball, he wants the same, you know, playing personality was Pete Carroll is a 70 year old quarterback. I mean, coach. Pete Carroll is gonna do it the way he wants to do it. He’s been doing it the way he wants to do for decades. decades. He’s not gonna cave in to Russell Wilson. Well, I want to run this. I want to do this. I want you to get that. He’s he trained him first. A whole boatload of picks before he came in. So I can see gone.
Victor Arocho 1:19:08
But what’s crazy he was in the MVP running.
Byron Jones 1:19:13
Yeah, he was running for life to all week, every game because
Victor Arocho 1:19:17
he was an MVP running though. He was still before me. I mean,
Byron Jones 1:19:22
things on him everything.
Victor Arocho 1:19:24
Right? Yeah. Without Yeah, it was it was Yeah. It was too much on him to win. Yeah,
Byron Jones 1:19:31
he has one old field, the complete passes. You know, he got the big, huge, wide receiver. Cat, the biggest receiver I’ve ever seen. They got him and who else? Nobody knows.
Victor Arocho 1:19:43
Don’t you think though that it’s um, Well, again, I want to go into something that I’ve been talking about a lot, too. It’s a book. Two points. One I’m going to talk about the second question is the theory of when you when you sign a quarterback for that kind of money. It’s either Super Bowl or bust right so I want to talk about that second and then the the next the first one before that is I want to talk about is I’m going to talk about is that these quarterbacks you think that that they’re seeing the success of some of these younger guys that they’re thinking that you know I don’t have what they have I don’t have the top three kills I don’t have you know if you give me that I’d be the Patrick mahomes you don’t think that ego is starting to play into the part of you know, I want to be Patrick mahomes and and you know Patrick may have lost the Super Bowl but that kid’s got some crazy extraordinary talent in my opinion.
Byron Jones 1:20:50
But look when when Seattle was one rolled away they were in a row when they do run the ball run the ball play action go deep they have marshawn Lynch Carson and all the running backs they were able to run the ball anything that’s gonna win a Super Bowl you have to be able to run the ball I don’t care what quarterback you have back there Look what happened mahomes in the Super Bowl
Victor Arocho 1:21:14
lender for net deliver which
Byron Jones 1:21:18
we’ll look at and then I can examine
Victor Arocho 1:21:20
the running back delivered for Tampa
Byron Jones 1:21:23
Yeah, I’m just saying if you don’t have the linemen to block this goes with anything cuz look at the guys with tamper had a good line that line was really good at a rookie right tackle no worse the one that we should have and they predicted Tom Brady because they know he’s gonna give me the ball he’s not gonna be back there running around a circle but he’s not one to one up nobody’s open throw it up in this thing’s that’s what he does all the time. He’s that kind of quarterback but you get these other no Russell Wilson runs all over the field you know he’s been sacked 400 times or whatever crazy number you know since he’s the plan and he just doesn’t have the people around it like these other teams do and hasn’t had them for years since the last time we went there suitable
Victor Arocho 1:22:10
so yeah but letter for net for template delivered mean he got cut. I mean, I love history. Those are the stories I love. He got cut from Jacksonville. Just he said he showed up and they were boom, you’re gone.
Byron Jones 1:22:26
Because he was lazy. Why? You pumped him up for tablet? You get pumped up. I got a tom brady back here.
Unknown Speaker 1:22:35
Right. You get to I got bills. Yeah.
Byron Jones 1:22:41
I gotta get me a job.
Victor Arocho 1:22:43
I’m not on a team. I got cut. Cut. It’s not like you got traded right? Not traded. Right. There’s a difference between trading and cut. Is there a
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Victor Arocho 1:22:54
Right, you get cut your cut? You got no other place? Right? You get training. You’re getting traded and then picking up a contract. Yes. And he delivered and got a Super Bowl ring. So God bless. Right. That’s,
Unknown Speaker 1:23:09
that’s a Super Bowl money. So
Unknown Speaker 1:23:12
hey, super how to 30 grand?
Byron Jones 1:23:15
Yeah, I take that till
Victor Arocho 1:23:16
I’m 30 grand just for that day. Not counting. He probably had an incentive. Sue?
Byron Jones 1:23:21
I mean, 100 go buy me a big RV or something? 130,000 I thought you had one. I’m looking at it. I’m thinking about
Victor Arocho 1:23:30
it. You see? Yeah, we Yeah. We said you were looking at one. Yeah. Um, and then my, my, my second point was the one was on on the I’m trying to remember a second point I was saying the first one was on what we’re talking about. Regarding the quarterback situation, the second one was
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Victor Arocho 1:23:55
Right, I wanted to go right into the into those pieces. But okay, it’ll come back to me. Can we go back into what our agenda is? And we’re almost about to wrap this up against trades. Oh, so as we were talking about the quarterbacks as well, we were talking about Wilson. Right. And, and his his desire to want to change. So So what do you think is gonna happen though, with quarter with coaches like Pete Carroll? Right where their defensive mind Oh, we were talking about like the it’s a quarterback league and we’re talking about are they? They think that they’re the mahomes and x mahomes in the league, and he’s totally different. Right? You know, what do you think is gonna happen to me? Do you think just gonna, it’s going to start going away, you know, football has its trends, right? They do whatever was working recently and they’re gonna adapt and change but You know, do you think the time of the defensive head coach is going to be gone?
Unknown Speaker 1:25:05
defense wins championships. That’s all I gotta say about that. And that’s how many defensive head coaches are there right now. Right now,
Victor Arocho 1:25:13
besides Pete Carroll.
Byron Jones 1:25:17
Who I definitely got thinking about that one. But look at Ron Rivera. No. There you go. There’s one. One, the last Super Bowl, and how did he win? Because they played great defense. Tampa,
Victor Arocho 1:25:31
Tampa. Yeah, sure. But he’s the head coach. My question was who’s the head coach? That is defensive.
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Victor Arocho 1:25:42
I got a you got Bella check. You got Ron Rivera
Byron Jones 1:25:45
that have a Super Bowl ad? account. Bellatrix.
Victor Arocho 1:25:50
Oh, I shouldn’t even mention that name. As soon as I mentioned, I mean, you’re able to jump ship real fast. This is true. Eight. He’s got eight as a coach. He’s got eight what brings? Oh, he’s got wanted to jump to the Giants a six foot with the past. All right. Yeah, it’s back. Noah’s got to
Byron Jones 1:26:13
count. The stop to the coach. Head Coach is
Victor Arocho 1:26:17
nobody different. As a coach, you suck. Yeah. Wade, Wade Phillips to suck as a coach with great, great, great defensive coordinator buddy Ryan,
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Victor Arocho 1:26:33
Rex Ryan, you know, I’m just I guess my question is is the head coaches being defensive coaches, right in a quarterback League, I think is gonna start waning. because like you said, If Pete Carroll 70 you know,
Byron Jones 1:26:50
yeah, well, it’s time is coming. Then we’ll look at all the new coaching now all these coaches are young. A lot of these guys are you know, either 40 years old yet you know, like all of them judge McVeigh just go Hey, Shanahan the guy up in Buffalo buffalo head coach there young Salah the one that the Jets just hired, you know, he hired matla flew his brother, he’s the coordinator. So it’s gonna have another the floor. You know, if he does well, the jet then he’ll be a head coach. But all these guys are under 40. You know, a lot of them never play to that’s kind of strange to bother to, but never played the game. So I guess it helps when your daddy and I’m getting ready going to kick you know, to daddy and everything else. This is
Victor Arocho 1:27:39
when we go back to will mean Vonda was saying if you have kids and you were an actor, would you want to give him a buddy you know? But the problem is I go back to you know my man, Mike Tomlin. He’s the youngest coach, and when the Superbowl Why were they following that program then?
Byron Jones 1:27:57
Because Pittsburgh is different.
Victor Arocho 1:28:00
It’s not Dennis, Pittsburgh is different. It’s a he was a young head coach and making this big thing about young head coaches. Right. But he gets left out of that. I mean,
Byron Jones 1:28:12
he has 34, but they have an organization that doesn’t metal. You’d never hear about the Rooney’s getting involved. No, and they don’t have a lot of head coaches. You know, they’ve had three in the last 50 years.
Victor Arocho 1:28:26
But still, the point was, is that Tom was a young coach and proved success after a successful coach. Right, right. So, you know, they didn’t seem to want to follow that pattern. But now all of a sudden, they’re following that pattern. Like it’s a new thing. Tomlin started that piece. You know, I’m 18 I’m not a Pittsburgh fan or anything, but I like Mike Tom.
Unknown Speaker 1:28:50
You know, always,
Victor Arocho 1:28:51
I’ve always said that to you. You know,
Byron Jones 1:28:54
it was back in the NFL now. Lovie Smith, no, use a Texan really has one position, I think defensive coordinator on the daily
Unknown Speaker 1:29:04
how much you want to bet they’re gonna do wait.
Byron Jones 1:29:07
We’re gonna do one, they’re gonna do great. What Texans?
Victor Arocho 1:29:10
Well, this just love me like he knows. Again, it goes back to those coaches that are great at the maybe not at the head coach level but at that position. But Lovie Smith played against, you know, we took them to the Superbowl. Right, we had two African American coaches. Like, we were guaranteed to have a African American coach when the Superbowl
Byron Jones 1:29:31
got when he played
Victor Arocho 1:29:32
I guess you had Tony Dungy Love you.
Byron Jones 1:29:35
Love you played Oh. Oh, Tulsa.
Victor Arocho 1:29:42
Shout out to tough he was my position coach. Oh, really? Yeah. So you’ve played for him? Oh,
Unknown Speaker 1:29:50
how was he? He wasn’t great. was
Unknown Speaker 1:29:52
his name loving did it live up to the word Lovie Smith.
Byron Jones 1:29:55
Now he was hard on. He was he was a little rock. He was a great player. They’re so, but he’s a little rough. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But he was real quiet. You know, he talked real slow and real saw. And but he got the point across.
Victor Arocho 1:30:09
So So how does someone soft as a defensive coach? How does someone talk low, soft and be tough? Like I like you know, I’m like so we’re loud and you know,
Byron Jones 1:30:22
cuz you can see it like, you know when he was upset because he could look you dead in the face he would look you in the face. And he was saying what he had to say. And then you will get the point.
Victor Arocho 1:30:34
And that was it. And with anger in his eyes. Yeah, a lot of anger. Like I was like when he said to you set it softly. He said it looks you in the eye. But those eyes were laser beams. Like,
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Victor Arocho 1:30:49
you better get this thing, right.
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or you have a problem.
Byron Jones 1:30:55
It would depend on what I was doing that day. I
Victor Arocho 1:30:57
will see you I’m just saying generally whoever we spoke because you just called you because the you know,
Byron Jones 1:31:03
he comes to other guys.
Victor Arocho 1:31:05
He goes, Yeah, yeah. That’s That’s funny. So I’m glad to see Lovie Smith back, but then it goes back to the good old boy league go you can say whatever you want on one side. But you cannot you cannot deny the NFL is good avoid league period. Oh, we
Byron Jones 1:31:21
can’t say we have to be politically correct. We can’t say good old boy league anymore because some people get they might get upset. So
Unknown Speaker 1:31:28
why good boys refreshes? Well,
Byron Jones 1:31:31
no to the south, you know, a good old good old boys and a South girl.
Victor Arocho 1:31:34
You know, that kind of stuff. So it gets upset the people in the south and people who are North trying to understand both. You can tell where we’re from, because we’re just using phrases that we know we’re not there’s no, there’s no, there’s no content of mal intent in in those words, but I appreciate it. Thanks. Pat mahomes called
Byron Jones 1:31:57
we’ll call it the NFL for eternity.
Victor Arocho 1:32:00
Okay, right. We got a mid right for someone to come back. It isn’t NFL attorney. But I do think it’s one sided a little bit more than the other. But they do take care of each other. And gates will be coaching somewhere.
Byron Jones 1:32:14
He does have a job we just don’t know. We just don’t know
Victor Arocho 1:32:17
exactly what else is saying. Everybody got a job somewhere we just don’t know about it. And we’re not going to watch Zeiss going like this. So Alright, so this was a This was good. We extended a little bit longer. This is um I don’t know how but we did the pigs were good. I think it was more about the pigs. Right. Alright, yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:32:37
that took the longest but
Victor Arocho 1:32:38
that was good. I think he did. I think he did fantastic with the pics. I’m good with all of them. I’m surprised at some of them. And it’s going to change each week. No, so we’re going to talk some more about it. Let’s try to get let’s try to get into we left off at what at what
Byron Jones 1:32:57
it’s gonna change next week. Just so you know. Alright, so but Santiago,
Victor Arocho 1:33:02
but I’m gonna keep I’m gonna keep this and try to see where where words changed and I want to I just want to I want to see the Matt Matt Jones rising isn’t interesting to me send
Byron Jones 1:33:11
it to Santiago because he posts this.
Victor Arocho 1:33:14
Oh, he does send this latest one.
Byron Jones 1:33:16
Well, he will this one is the latest one.
Unknown Speaker 1:33:18
Okay, so in this one see Jack’s true names
Byron Jones 1:33:23
and then I’ll update the one I’m
Victor Arocho 1:33:25
also going to talk about the Buccaneers just they’re making some pretty good moves on to resigning a lot of the players
Byron Jones 1:33:32
they’re not gonna be able to sign all not all of them but Shaq Barrett, they still have assigned him you got an SU is out there. So you know he wants to come back so we’ll get to the other guy. He just signed two years $25 million. That Godwin latte David linebacker. Yeah, that’s good.
Victor Arocho 1:33:50
That’s a good one. Godwin. They need to sign
Byron Jones 1:33:53
they franchise him.
Unknown Speaker 1:33:55
A good sign for a cabin. Oh, he should be happy.
Unknown Speaker 1:34:00
The parents are happy to be
Victor Arocho 1:34:02
he’s gonna be happy because you know Brady made him break NFL records so i think i think they’re gonna be better than they were this year.
Unknown Speaker 1:34:12
Washington next year. Hmm. Washington next year.
Victor Arocho 1:34:17
Okay, we get you on. Denied denied the Flacco you want but I’m going to we’re recording this. I’m going to come back to that. Alright, so let me let’s let’s close this out. Hey, I heard you did a great job. I wasn’t here last week as my son’s birthday. I wanted to join my son you guys did a great job thanks to Santiago for stepping in on me in for me and you know, Byron you lead the way so can you please close this out with the Gary Sinise foundation
Byron Jones 1:34:48
that you can put me on the spot since I
Victor Arocho 1:34:49
got to put you on the spot because I never every time I asked you to only let me do it. And I heard you did a bang up job. So you know, that was really the thing, man the same thing you can do? Well, yeah. You know, I read it with passion. Yeah. Well
Byron Jones 1:35:02
read it with passion. No. Yeah.
Victor Arocho 1:35:04
I mean, I want to see how Byron Jones reads. And since you remember this, this, you taught me this. You’re the one who showed me this organization that now I believe in
Unknown Speaker 1:35:12
them all the time.
Victor Arocho 1:35:14
Good. So now, you should even more passionate I do.
Byron Jones 1:35:19
Say my sister deal with them all the time to
Unknown Speaker 1:35:22
follow up. She’s on the show today.
Unknown Speaker 1:35:25
She’s in the middle of moving. She’s studying while she’s working. Yeah. Can’t find it.
Victor Arocho 1:35:36
Okay. I got you covered, man. See, I got to cover that. But next week, be prepared. Here we go. I’m ready. Oh, you ready?
Byron Jones 1:35:47
There we go. Reading security are precious gifts that we as Americans should never take for granted. We must do all we can to extend our hand in times of need to those who willingly willingly sacrifice each day to provide the freedom of security. Well, we can never do enough to show gratitude to our nation defenders. We can always do a little more. Gary Sinise, Gary Sinise. foundation.org give give until your hands bleed.
Unknown Speaker 1:36:13
Victor Arocho 1:36:14
because they’re they can because our our military our servicemen are first responders. They don’t just bleed they die. They die for us defending the ability for us to even just do a podcast. Most countries you can’t even do a podcast show their opinion. So you know I don’t think we do enough for our servicemen. We don’t do enough for our first responders. So if you can, Gary Sinise foundation.org you know, Byron served in the military, all his family certain amounts here all my family serve the military. You know, it’s one of my things that I wish I would have, but I didn’t. But you There’s nothing but our soldiers that we truly truly, truly need to give thanks to. Alrighty, so let me Alright, so now just remember, okay, you can follow us on Twitter at the sports cast one and visit our website at sports cast that net, please also subscribe to our YouTube channel, Dysport cast because then you’ll get notified and click on notifications because then you’ll know every time me and Byron are on and the Jersey Boys is talking about sports. And we have a lot of guests. We missed our boy Mark today about he told me he was gonna come on because we wanted to talk about DAX work. Yeah, yeah, he’s got he’s got to tell me definitely but it’s going. So don’t forget again at Twitter, the sports cast one and visit our website. The sports cast that net again next Thursday. Byron I will and I will be added again, we’re going to be talking about draft picks. Byron is doing outstanding. I’m picking the picks. I like him. You know, I only concern myself about who’s the 11th big buyers do it all the way straight down 32 and it changes every week. To our Alabama fans, you know we have a constant rally are ours at Alabama.
Byron Jones 1:38:14
Now what the Bama standard that’s the
Victor Arocho 1:38:17
family standard. Alright, the bammer standard. Justin Riley and constant have a show. They have it on Tuesdays. They have a different channel but they have great information on Bama. So you want to look at that we have a show on Tyler we have an NBA show with our guy, Justin Jordan. This week as well. And in Byron, I you could always see our shows again, just want to shout out to Perth Amboy New Jersey as we always do, we haven’t given the chance to the 8 million athletes. And by the way, next week, I’ll have all the names of the cheerleaders that when the cheerleaders you know I got I got a little bit hammered. I mentioned everybody that I needed to mention. Don’t forget out there Rogers alfia. Rogers, who was a coach, the head
Byron Jones 1:39:02
coach and coach and vice principal, all good she
Unknown Speaker 1:39:05
Yeah, she live
Byron Jones 1:39:07
in a life in Jacksonville on the beach.
Victor Arocho 1:39:09
And she was a beautiful lady. Yes, he was. No, Yes, she is. Oh, yeah. No, no confusion. And with all due respect, massages. Speaker Rogers, Rogers vigor, we’re paying you a compliment. We’re just paying a couple right, Mr. Barrett? I said. No, we’re not. We’re not paying you compliment. Beautiful lady with a lot of talent. So Byron, as always, you know, glad to be back on the show. We went a little bit long today, but it was fun. We had I think it’s what fast? No.
Byron Jones 1:39:43
Yeah, very fast, way fast.
Victor Arocho 1:39:46
I’m happy because the last couple shows, I think I was a little bit down. I was off my game. And that was my fault. So I apologize. But I’m Byron as always. I enjoy I enjoyed his time. I love you, john. Family. Shout out to Vonda and Sonia. Sonia Cheers. You know, this is Gatorade, but you know, make believe it’s why
Byron Jones 1:40:11
I have the picture of spandex next week.
Victor Arocho 1:40:13
Oh yeah, I gotta get it. Just show me Do me a favor to show me a picture you in Spanish and then show me just what the spending looks like when it’s not on you. I want to I want to see that you know, because you know, Spanish is this size. And when you put it on, it’s this size. I want to see like when it started out. And then like, what happens when it started crying when he stretched it out.
Unknown Speaker 1:40:41
Victor Arocho 1:40:42
by I love you, bro, I think you’re the best I enjoy every week. And every time I get a chance to talk to you. And God bless everybody stay safe. You know, I hope everyone’s doing well during these tough times. And just think of other people. And again, you know, Spread the Love. And we got to continue to figure out what we’re gonna do with this epidemic. And we got to figure out the social injustice. I think it’s a, it’s gotten to, you know, for all of those that are out there, just think about what you’re doing first.
Unknown Speaker 1:41:15
Victor Arocho 1:41:16
you got to do something, right, we got to be better, we got to be better. And I’ve been fortunate to come to grew up where we grew up and put them away. And, you know, I got brothers and sisters from every possible color race there are and I truly love them. And I truly believe they’re my brothers and sisters. And I truly believe I can count on them. So you know, may all of you be as fortunate as myself. So good night and looking forward to next Thursday APM APM to our friends who asked us every week. Then numbers on the channel, how else to promote whatever it is. If not, God bless for its coming on. We’re looking forward to it. We got some good things happen in the NBA. We need to get to that with the brawn in that. But we will Byron thank you for the great work and God bless. We’ll talk soon
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Santiago Leon is the Founder and CEO of the Sports Cast. He covers almost every sport: NFL, NBA, and world soccer. He’s also founder of sleon productions, which he specializes in technology and serves clients with solutions to make their business grow.