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Episode #219: Interview with Former Alabama Basketball Player Erwin Dudley

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In this episode we interview former Alabama University Basketball player Erwin Dudley. Dudley played for Alabama from 1999 to 2003 and then played Pro Basketball overseas in Israel and Turkey.

Show Notes

Intro (Brought to You by Rama Jama’s):

-Former Associated Press All-American
-2001-2002 SEC Player of the Year
-3-time All-SEC
-Lead the SEC in rebounding 3 consecutive seasons; first since Shaq
-2001-2002 SEC Regular Season Champion
-2007 FIBA All-Star
-2007 FIBA All-Star Game MVP
-2xTurkish League Champion
-2xTurkish Cup Winner
-2xTime Turkish President’s Cup Winner

Alabama:

Post-Alabama/Pro Career:

-Went undrafted in the 2003 NBA Draft

SEC Legends Team:

-In February of 2019, Erwin Dudley was named part of the SEC Legends Team
-Joined former Bama greats Robert Horry, Derrick McKey, Charles C.M. Newton, and James “Hollywood” Robinson

The State of Alabama Basketball:

-Since Dudley’s departure, Alabama has only made the NCAA Tournament twice
-3 coaching changes
-1 NBA Draft selection (Colin Sexton, 1st round, Cleveland Cavaliers)

Post Career:

-Your career has just come to a close. However, you are still involved in basketball. This time, you are serving as an instructor. Can you tell us about the Dudley Camp of Champions?
-What are some takeaways from your college & pro career that you want to teach the up and coming athletes?

Poll Question

What goes well with #Pink? #NationalPinkDay
Cotton Candy- 37%, Lemonade- 36%, Flamingos- 18*, Flowers- 9%
Erwin- Lemonade
Justin- Lemonade
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Should the #Ravens acquire Antonio Brown or Josh Gordon?
Antonio Brown- 70%, Josh Gordon- 30%
Erwin- AB
Justin- AB

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Transcript

Santiago Leon
Sports cast June 23 2020 if you haven’t yet, please subscribe on all our channels YouTube, Periscope and iTunes. And if you’re an iTunes please leave a rating and review it will help us out tremendously. And visit us on the sports cast dotnet the sports cast dotnet for the latest in sports news. This episode is brought to you by is the Bible app download is the Bible app on your iPhone. We got Justin Reilly all the way from Mississippi as my co host. Welcome to the sports cast. Hey, glad to be here man excited for another Tuesday edition of our program. Another one of the Alabama series which is I think, like we don’t have an end date for this. It feels like it’s kind of in depth For now

Justin Riley
Alabama never ends man. We’re in it.

Erwin Dudley
Exactly.

Santiago Leon
Anyways, we got a special show today and a special guest Justin key do the honors to present our special guests for tonight.

Justin Riley
I got to man before I do that, I’m going to give a big shout out to the folks that ramaa jammas look and listen to your game day experience is not complete the Best Buy there to have one of their famous burgers. Matter of fact, I dare you to try the national championship burger. My fact I’ll challenge anyone to try to beat me in eating that. So that’s a challenge if anybody’s won’t accept it. Come on. All right, I am really excited today. Of course I’m excited every week because I’m doing something I love but I’m bringing to you a former Associated Press all American, the 2001 through 2002 sec Player of the Year, three time all sec led the SEC and rebounding in three consecutive seasons. The first to do that since the great Shaq he was the SEC regular season champion. He was a 2007 FIBA all star, the 2007 FIBA All Star Game MVP and won several titles in the Turkish league. None other than the great legendary Erwin Dudley.

Erwin Dudley
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you guys for having me. I appreciate it. Hey, I’m definitely trying to challenge you on the on the national championship.

Justin Riley
Hey, I’m ready. Just let me know and we’ll be there.

Santiago Leon
show what does that burger contain really quick, Dustin?

Justin Riley
Just mounds and mounds of meat and bacon and goodness, all the things we’ll see in heaven

Santiago Leon
as long as it has bacon. Anyways, Erwin, thanks for coming on to the sports cast. Can you tell us where you’ve been up to lately?

Erwin Dudley
I’ve been I’ve been doing anything really um Makino kids get out of school. I’m just helping them with schoolwork. I become a teacher actually because I’m teaching them on teaching them And different different subjects and I guess a lot of never saw myself in that light when I actually had the T shirt on because of another pandemic and everything but it’s been good. We’ve been able to bond a lot more and being able to do a lot more a lot of things together. We’ve been fishing a lot. So that’s another thing that we’ve been doing so he he’s been we’ve been having some fun.

Santiago Leon
We’re getting into this, this journey of yours. Tell us how’d you get started with basketball?

Erwin Dudley
Yeah, I have older brothers, older brothers and older cousins that play basketball. I mean, where I’m from in Uniontown, Alabama, basketball was basketballs, everything. So I mean, you know, you grew up playing basketball and so I bet I follow their footsteps, you know, just kind of kind of went from there to see my little brothers doing it. And I decided to try to and I liked it and then just kind of took off for me.

Justin Riley
Good deal. Well, can you tell us a little bit about your recruiting When all schools were looking at you and was Alabama always the obvious choice for you?

Erwin Dudley
Well, I had an older sister that was here. They went to school they graduate from here before I did from Alabama so I mean, I always knew that you know that that was an opportunity that because I had been here and I’ve seen the campus and things of that nature, but um you know, going to visit other places I went, I went to course you know, the other other school down the road and stay out of them. I went there. Um, I went, I was able to go to I visited Georgia Tech. I was Clemson was Holly ami and halloumi as well. Pretty much all sec school recruiting you’re pretty handy.

Santiago Leon
How was your high school career? Like? I mean, were you were you one like the top players in your state? How was your experience with high school basketball?

Erwin Dudley
Actually basketball for me was great. Um, you know, I came the era that came in you know, we you know, we didn’t have a lot of a you we did have a you but it wasn’t A lot of you on down here in China here so you have to come I play you for the team up in Huntsville called Alabama lasers and so Marvin stone when he was he was like one of the number one player in the nation at that time. And so I was able to play on the team with him and bloggers all they played me in Alabama chairs meetings and those guys we all play on the same team so that’s my your experience was good but it’s nothing it’s nothing like it is now. These guys have social media and they have all these different outlets where they can they can kind of you know, put their talents and show what they can do. You know, I came through we didn’t we didn’t have all that it was basically like you know, we we play you within the summertime for me was my high school coach opening up a gym and we played against older guys and he just did this how we play basketball

Santiago Leon
and be like, with like the whole recruiting process. Was it was it really triggering like you were between two schools or Alabama a clear choice at the time.

Erwin Dudley
Um, they were there, they were a clear choice. I mean, I mean, UAB was, was recruiting me heavily, but I told them early in the process that that I wouldn’t come in, I didn’t want to show them alone. And all when they recruited me really handy, but I knew in my heart that I wanted to, and I want to be with Alabama I knew at that time to Albany was really good at that point in time. They had Chris board and Mama guru and they had a bunch of other guys there. So they were playing really good basketball. I can remember the year my senior year, I went, I went to Auburn. No for visit in Alabama. I’ve been playing. And so I think this caller might have been like Alabama last night alone, they lost the game about 40 or 50 points. He was like 90 to 40 or 90 to 50. I mean, remember, it was bad. Um, and so you know that right there, you know, you know, they kind of like, I mean, it was already established and it was just like, Okay, I have teammates that already assigned here. it out of them and it was like he knows he was basically like, okay, we come here together we can we can accomplish it do something especially.

Justin Riley
Good do I like to transition now to when you actually got to Alabama and you entered the Alabama basketball program during a very interesting time, the basketball program and football program both are rebuilding. Alabama hadn’t been to an NCAA Tournament since the 1995 96 season when we had Antonio make dice. Mark Godfrey was in his second year as a head coach. What was the atmosphere like during that time?

Erwin Dudley
I mean, it was exciting. You know, we were we were lab recruiting classes we came in, we were a top recruiting class. And so we came in, you know, really not as not knowing what to expect, you know, Coach guy, but he started, he started for freshmen. He just basically rolled the ball out there and told us to go out there and play and we had a lot of no bumps and bruises and stuff but at the end of the day, you You know, it was a learning experience as well. So that that freshman year when when really a good year for me, but you know, we’d like to gain experience. And that was the most important thing and go to us my sophomore year. I mean, we had a really good year, we thought we shouldn’t make the tournament returning because we got snow from the tournament or whatever you’d like 25 or 24 and 11 or something like that. So we had a good record, but they said

Santiago Leon
which season was your best season? And which game do you do you think is the most memorable game you ever ever had with Alabama?

Erwin Dudley
Well, I got a couple of different ones on. The most memorable one, I think is you know, the most memorable year was my junior year we won that title. Um, you know, as a player of the year, we have mo Williams, he was a freshman the year so even though we had a bunch of accolades, you know, as a team as well. One of my one of my you know, my fondest moments, I think, well, no The first one is think of my freshman year. I think my freshman sophomore year thinking about freshman year. We were planning to stay here in Tuscaloosa. And, you know, I think we were down three points. You know, we took a three pointer mistake. I got the rebound never took a three point in my entire just want to say I’ve taken my whole entire career. And I got the ball dribbling it out to the three point shot it made me go and overtime his mission to stay in Tuscaloosa. And then we go into overtime we win the game. That’s one of them. And then the second one is a second one is you know, of course we know that we played against Florida in the temperature game here in Tuscaloosa we do the regular season title.

Justin Riley
Yeah, I remember that Florida game pretty well, man. We want it to buzzer we all stormed the court. Man. That was an amazing time. Yeah, it was. You know you play with an incredible roster like you already mentioned mo Williams, Rog rezar, Kenny Walker and Tom Petty. Way parents made. After a short period of time, he led our program back to relevance. When I was watching you is like seeing a cross between Shaq and Karl Malone. I felt like you were the most dominant player on the court. And we needed something you were there. How did your style of play and leadership propel that team to new heights?

Erwin Dudley
Well, I don’t think it was just me in particular, I think, you know, my whole my whole team, I think we all contributed, you know, to it, they were they were able to give me the ball on me being relentless on the on the owners willingness on the glass, and it goes down for you know, they made a conscious effort to give me the balls. And so, that was another thing and my teammates, they were able to give me the ball. Like I said, you know, like, the rebound was one of my strong suits as well. So even if we didn’t know, even if we gave up shoot the ball and stuff, you know, we had a good chance of being offensive rebounds and stuff. So that was another thing that that was, that was a then I took pride in just rebounding. And so their idea proud of myself just being a person that could go out and just leading by example their shoulders and playing hard and playing and doing doing what I can do to help the team win. How

Santiago Leon
was the atmosphere like with the Alabama basketball program? I know the football team wasn’t at at the height of this level but how was the basketball program when you got there and how you left it?

Erwin Dudley
Well when we when when I first arrived there on cam camp we first arrived on campus like say football still was no this deal was you know, the start we still at night and founder and all those guys actually were there and we had just won the SEC sec sec title game that you that the year before. So was coming in, you know, we basically football steel was you know, had that book. But slowly, I think Sony was showing you know, with us coming in winning games and good recruiting classes coming in genoise came into the mix, you know, it’s number one put in the nation and stuff. So they kind of helped us they put us kind of put us on the map and then you We started getting noticed. I mean, we were we were winning game. Like I said, my sophomore year, it was like 24 and 11. Then our junior, like say one sec title. That was that was huge for us. No, that was a big stepping stone for us. You know, we was able to get back into the tournament. And so like you’d like to see earlier we hadn’t been done since no 9596 I think so. That was like a big step notice every team’s know gold is to the recent term. That’s one of their main goals.

Justin Riley
And you decided to forego the the NBA Draft in return for your senior season and they actually set us out to make run that quite frankly to school and never been haven’t seen before. We were actually thinking Final Four, possibly even more. However, we finished 17th and 12. The year this is something has been on my mind for a while. What do you think led to that disappointing season?

Erwin Dudley
You know, um, we because we started out Well, I know I know from personal Period. I know, we didn’t. I know, we didn’t have any animosity as a team. So that was, but I know myself personally, I was battling a knee injury that that, you know, a lot of people don’t know about it. I don’t know, I don’t talk about it because I don’t like to look at it as an excuse or whatever, like, Did I just feel like that? It was it was something that, you know, I soaked it up, you know, something that I want to do, I wanted to fight because I felt like my team needed, but I know for certain that, then that if I hadn’t been healthy, healthy that year, whatever, like the record wouldn’t have been and, you know, we, we ended up going to 17 and 12. We still know we made the tournament itself, but we know we he was number one team in the nation as well. So there was something on Alabama history. So those are some good things. And they’re like I said, we had some bad things. I could say that they mean injury was one of the things I know myself personally. They kind of took me you know, took me back and then also going out saying, you know, we lost, you know, right, we lost right to that day here. He never happened. You know, he was when I know one of our top scores or whatever. So So that was another thing you know, we and don’t get me wrong, we do have some players that come in, they come in and play in, you know, fill roles and do what he needs to do. We just, you know, Rob was just so he’s a special talent.

Santiago Leon
How would you compare to the Alabama basketball program today compared to right now what is needed today that could you know, bring back like those glory days

Erwin Dudley
are winning you know what I mean, you know, right now, I think that, you know, right now the program right now I’m the coach, because OCS you know, he’s doing a fantastic job and think, you know, first year now we saw some spurts of no some, you know, we saw some good things. The recruiting class, a guy coming in and now is a really good recruiting class. So now is all about, those are just recruiting class coming in and coming in and filling their roles and doing this those to do and then the upperclassmen that we have. There now, you know, they have to, they have to step up and do it and do their part. I think you Yup isn’t always happy to do their part. But then also the guys that come in behind them, they have to come in and contribute as well. And I think that’ll, that’ll make you a really well balanced team. And everybody got to come in and ready. You know, we lost our power. He’s, you know, he’s staying in for the draft. So, you know, we’re going to lose him. But, you know, we have gathered up into that role. We know Karen Carr was a really good player experience this and did a lot of good things for us. So, you know, we’ll see.

Justin Riley
I like to kind of piggyback on that as well. You know, since your departure, we’ve only made the NCAA Tournament twice. We’ve had three coaching changes. And we’ve had only one first round draft pick and that was Collin Sexton. Yeah, I thought the Anthony grant and definitely Avery Johnson could ride the ship. However, it didn’t happen. Why do you think Alabama is having a hard time finding success with this basketball program?

Erwin Dudley
You know what I mean? I don’t have I don’t have an answer for that. I think the guys I’m thinking I think we’re bringing in getting some really good guys. I think the guy ever bring talented, I think, I don’t know, I don’t know what it is no weathers, I don’t know, certainly could be a number of you. It could be internal. I wish I had some it could be, you know, it could be it could be a number of things. It could be some a few internal things and we don’t know about it could be a number of different things. I don’t have the app I know I know. But I know for a fact that you guys see as well you know, the guys that they’ve brought in or they’re bringing in their top their top left top star five star guys four star guys you guys all know that you know, um, you know, I don’t know, you know whether when they get here I don’t know I don’t know what goes on in the locker room so I can’t I can’t do

Santiago Leon
Yeah, something that you know, we’ve seen with with a lot of schools you know, they have their glory days, not so glory days, but eventually they’ll back in you know, obviously right now. Alabama is living in that football moment. So it’s, it might be that I don’t know. It might be a culture you love the SEC rebounding for three consecutive seasons becoming the first to do so since Shaquille O’Neal were you trying to capture that record or it just you just really I mean like or or USA a person told you Hey, you tied or surpass Shaq like what was that feeling?

Erwin Dudley
Um, I you know, I wouldn’t I mean, my main my main thing was my thing was I go back to high school. You know, I remember being in class I was you know, I was like, I went to one of the coach Oh my man they will they will not pass me the ball. And the coach told me is like going to the rebound in and then they just kind of stuck with me to you know, the rebound cuz you know, that’s another way that’s that’s definitely another way of scoring. That’s definitely another way to keep yourself involved in the game. And so that was one of the things that I knew I found myself find myself being good at. It was one of the things is rebounding going Want to get the ball finally tracking the ball down and you know rebounding is mostly it’s all effort is not in not a really a skill I mean you some guys really steal the rebound when a lot of rebounds effort you know if you put forth effort to doing something again the rebound you can do it because you know you’re going to have guys this is more athletic than you are and what if some guys are telling you and in my case I was six eight and I had guys playing guys again playing with this guy that was six 916 611 seven foot but I think my heart in my heart was no saint overcame all of that because I

Santiago Leon
have you ever got a call from Shaq to say congrats or were able to speak to him?

Erwin Dudley
No, I never never never got it never got anything like this.

Justin Riley
When you got there, who were the main focus, I guess in the program already the serve as mentors to you? Are they just really spending A lot of time investing in you and getting you ready for your career there.

Erwin Dudley
Well, I mean, when I got here we had, we had afra malls. Solomon Davis, he was here to read London, he was here. So those were, those are some of the upperclassmen and Jeremy Jeremy Hayes. He was here as well. Jeremy was a gentleman who had a knee injury. So he was kind of, you know, he was kind of back and forth with, you know, with being getting healthy and stuff. So those were those were the guys that, you know, that we came in under whatever. And, you know, we were, we were supposed God for His first recruiting class. And he basically like, No, no, he’s my first class, all freshmen. And I’m just gonna put them out there you know, you know, I mean, it happens, you know, to every program and coaches to take over and they bring in a good day guys, and you know, they want to play their God and so that’s kind of how I was coaching whatever they end up and I don’t think he made a bad decision.

Santiago Leon
Let’s, let’s transition into a heading to pro actually a little bit before that. How were the NBA scouts looking at you throughout your college career? What were you getting whispered about where you were people saying you’d be a first rounder? What was the whole pre draft experience?

Erwin Dudley
Like, I mean, my whole pre draft experience was, you know, that I got from the scouts. Know, you’re a first rounder, late first round early second round pick when I was in my junior year and so, so I decided to come back. I just felt like okay, no, I may need you may need to work on some other things, whatever. And, you know, I came back in like I stated earlier, you know, we would you say, it was one of the best years No, no, in terms of our winning record, you know, we accomplish some things as a team who was number one in the nation, but we just didn’t get everything done. It’s not done as a team like we were born to. And you know, we just didn’t we didn’t replicate the success we had from the previous seasons. And, you know, me coming out and like I said, I wouldn’t lie over and over half the entire season. So that was one thing. And going in, you know, I graduated after the when the season ended, I will say no they have this thing got in Portsmouth, Portsmouth Virginia where you go out and buy all the seniors out and you come out and participate in play. Um, you know, you’re basically trying to get your standard draft stock up. And you know, when I said I had been dealing with a knee injury for the whole year that you know, Mo Mo mindset was I’m trying to not kind of push it you know, I can push it to this right here. And once I get through this, then I can give myself grace. And that wasn’t the plan a guy and for me, because I went out when I went out there, and I got hurt like, I got injured the first the first game first five minutes of the game, and when I was down on the court, decal, it was just it was just, it was nothing no, it was nothing I did you know, out of the ordinary just just normal just go out, close out. And I stepped in I landed on one of my teammates foot and that was it. And I was I was down.

Santiago Leon
How was the medical treatment for that. Was that something that you did everything possible or you think you could have done something more back then?

Erwin Dudley
Well, I mean, at that point in time, I think we did everything that we did that we that we knew what to do every session from my knowledge, we did everything we knew and we knew when to do it, we’ll just want to know things like even like we did a we had done x rays and MRIs and all this stuff in school, and you know, nothing turned up. And then you know, once I got hurt, I knew obviously was something but once I got hurt, we went back and did another X ray and and it was it was a lot on my bone. And it will just one of those nodes I can say so easily was like this, something that they’ve never had been heard of real quick because I talk to the doctors and stuff and they would like it with their own. They only know and known for cases. And I was out for cases. And I was one of the I was the number four was three cases before me and I was number four. And you know, it was me guys, a NASCAR driver in an NFL kicker and I was a fourth K so we wouldn’t allow them Now, people have fractured their kneecap to kneecap. So it was just one of those things where we just have to kind of, you know, just kind of learn as we went.

Justin Riley
And all the information you gave me is something like none of none of us knew about we had no clue that was what was going on. That’s all your accomplishments are Alabama, you know, all of us thought that you were going to be in the NBA for a long time. We envision you becoming an NBA all star and then when in titles. What do you feel like didn’t work right for you once you actually got to the draft the draft, you know, of course, you went undrafted. And do you think if you lift at your junior season that things would have played out differently for you?

Erwin Dudley
Well, I know I’ve thought about it a lot. And excuse me, and, you know, at the end of the day, I think you know, I think that you know everybody that hasn’t you know hasn’t pre planned for them for my life has been God’s plan and everybody life on and I feel like for me if it was useful missioning to be an NBA Dean, I felt like I would have actually made it to the NBA. You know, it just it just didn’t happen for me that way. But again, I you know, like Europe for me was no, I don’t take anything from it. I mean, it was great to me. You know, what it experience being able to go over and, and see and being able to see different countries? No, no, no second to none now, do I wish I had to play me again? Yeah, of course. I mean, as everybody saw this every, I mean, there’s 100 Americans dream is playing the NBA, but it just didn’t happen for me that way, you know, I did in the play. I went to certainly for the clippers and, and I did pretty well or whatever. And I went into the, you know, when they invited me to boot camp, and I decided to, you know, I decided to turn it down well, because, you know, I was like, Look, I offered me something because, you know, at that point in time, it was only you know, I was only my first year out of school and, um, you know, I like I said, They’re here before that I hadn’t, I hadn’t done in fact, I had worked Do anything on a serious job. So I was just trying to really I was just trying to try to get something that’ll hold me by. I mean homey, homey own. And so they was like, you know, we just want you to come in for a big camp and you know, do this and I was like, no, what and I had no, I had a guarantee overseas and so I ended up taking that and just know just looking back.

Santiago Leon
You were in the 2003 NBA Draft. That’s a pretty talented draft. Obviously, it was LeBron James Dwyane Wade, a Carmelo Anthony, and Chris Bosh, um, from your experience, how dense was that talent pool?

Erwin Dudley
Oh, man, it was I mean, even like, even before I even, you know, even like my junior year, I knew I knew going back when my junior year, I knew that I stayed in my state in my junior year, coming up much, much sooner. I knew it was gonna be deep or whatever. And you know, and those guys and usually the accomplishment those guys have made know over the years so I mean, that Claire’s right there was really, really deep meaning even not with those those 434 guys, you And, you know, we had guys you know, after after Doom that came this deal came into the NBA and it contributed a lot.

Justin Riley
Now you were able to find success pretty quickly overseas, you know, first and Israel, you pretty much killed it. And then you went over to Turkey to Turkey. And then you know, your career just took off. And I felt like that was what you were meant to be doing. When the beginning Can you kind of take us through the adjustments you had to make from playing in the states and then playing overseas and also playing in different countries?

Erwin Dudley
I think for me, and I tell people I mean, I think basketball that’s what I was pretty much the same everywhere. I mean, you have no you have different coaches and different organizations and the way they look at basketball and basketball and make basketball is totally different. I think basketball for the most part is pretty is a pretty simple game. No once you learn everything, I think that The main adjustment for like for like players going overseas is the mental aspect which is no different language being being away from home and missing the family and things of that nature. Um my first year my first year in Israel was really good because that country no baseball mostly everybody school games there so we wouldn’t we wouldn’t really a hard transition and Israel what you know, it’s not it’s not a really big country itself. But when I went to Turkey, you know that that was that was definitely was an adjustment for me. I can remember the first first time I went there, you know, I mean, I’m thinking that you know, pretty much you know, the language, you know, isn’t the same as English. So I go to a taxi and I’m like, I’m speaking I’m saying Mom, I’m telling mom, like mom and he’s looking at me like I’m like, like, I’m speaking Chinese, whatever, like the only thing. So I’m like, Really? So I’m like, Okay, I got a wall. So I so I ended up I’m walking to the mall tonight in a walk into the mall. We weren’t that far from my house. But, you know, it was just like those little things like that. But you know, at the end of the day, and this is an experience now. So now I will now be living over there for all those years now I can, if I needed to say, or speak turkeys and say, Look, I want to go to the mall, I can say, and I can tell him I want to go to the mall. So there was no, there was one thing within the food too, because the food is food is totally different than the way we process it into here in America. So that takes some adjustment as well so that you get past those two things. I think you’d be okay. But the most the most important thing is is really, you know, the mental part of it just being able to withstand because you’re gonna have some times you’re gonna have some times where you’re lonely, you’re gonna miss stuff as good but it’s just part of you know, either you, you only have a small window to do something. If you’re gonna do it, then you know, you’re not gonna do it at all. And that’s known as I kind of I kind of went about

Santiago Leon
how’s that experience get interesting? From teams internationally Was that something that you saw a lot even before like the NBA Draft or like when do you start seeing some interest coming in?

Erwin Dudley
I mean, I saw I saw some injuries before you know, I had editing one particular team in Japan they were really they was only really heavy on before I actually even signed in Israel and whenever they were only really ever they really liked me. But I ended up taking in a war in Israel or whatever and you know, like I said, I enjoy it was a great place and the United States moved on to Turkey but it just you know, I definitely I definitely got bugs from different teams or whatever. And like I said, Now nowadays you know, you get you get a lot more exposure then then damn then I would have no God back in the day you know, international team today because they have all these different like European exposure camps and all that stuff out in the in Las Vegas and different places. And then to hurt me is another thing that hurt me as well. You know, me being hurt me. I missed Oh, A year of not playing that once I graduated from Alabama so so to know something was kind of once I did get healthy, you know, some things were like over kind of skeptical because, you know, they didn’t know what to expect it would be known but that said, like I said the team in Israel regional into the chance on me and whatever. And that’s when my career kind of took out.

Santiago Leon
While playing in Turkey and in the Middle East. How was the level basketball there? Was it at a high level? Like what would you rate it?

Erwin Dudley
Um, I think I think it was it um, well, morale when I first started off over there, it was, I will give it you know, as like one of the top countries over there. I will give you probably like, out of five I probably give like, I would give it like a two and a half out of five. But now, I think now, there was when I was when I retired. Turkey was probably like the top top country as far as basketball. You know, they were the top team or the top countries was basketball, and it was Spain. It was Spain. It was Spain. Russia, and then I think turkey right in case they’re right in there, whatever, as far as basketball when I first got there, but now, I mean, I think turkey they over to they will over to both of them. I mean, you had they had a lot of teams that we know that was competing for international titles or European titles. And so they hate, they hate and they when they were in the change, we’re actually spending money to or whatever, to give players whatever. And I tell people all the time, you know that at the time when a lot of people that had the crisis back when they had the crisis back here back and we’re always thinking, oh 809 a lot of teams are a lot it’s a lot of countries saying know how to cut their budget and wasn’t spending a lot Turkey was to is continuously and it was continue to improve because they hadn’t won a year, Euro league title. And they was thirsty because they wanted their country to be known, you know, known as a you know, be known in the basketball world.

Justin Riley
You mentioned the money aspect of everything was getting paid ever something that was a warrior concern because I’ve heard stories You know, depending on what country you go to, some players got paid some players didn’t just kind depends on what the organization was like. Was that ever a concern for you?

Erwin Dudley
I mean, yeah, I mean, I had some I had some times when, when, when we didn’t get paid for like, two to two months, three months at a time and but you know, what, you know, we ended up you know, what, we ended up getting paid, but I think a lot of it has to do with the agents, you know, agents doing, doing their homework on different teams. And then I think also the, excuse me, the players as well, they have to talk to other guys that have played on teams before them, you know, because like I say, you know, it’s a small pool, I guess, is only is only like 16 teams older, every team we got 234 America’s own so we all pretty much know each other so if something goes on the one club or whatever, it’s pretty cheap. Pretty much the other team other airlines If another team will know about, so you have to do your homework to as a player because if you you know if you know a situation where a team ain’t playing a pan, you know, the previous year, chances are and they still only own God’s money from the year before they or two years before that, chances are you’re not gonna get you know, you it’s gonna be hard for you to get chosen unless they come into a lot of money where they got a sponsor and they give them they give them a lot of money to invest into this to a basketball club. If not, so I did run it I did run into you know, today issue, whatever, like there, but you know, I was able to, you know, we was able to get it resolved and get it taken care of what you do when you do run into that situation. You know, I know guys, you know, students who did they still had, you know, having the same No problem, you know, certain you know, certain clubs or certain countries where they don’t pay.

Santiago Leon
Yeah, it’s quite interesting international and things a little bit. Work definitely, um, what have you heard about like the CBA, the, like the basketball played in Asia, specifically. Whatever here But like, like their level compared to Europe?

Erwin Dudley
I mean, I heard that I mean, are they you know, they play a lot of games I think they I heard they’re, they’re more they kind of base their their schedule, they play more like an NBA style skill, they play like three or four games a week or something like they’re, you know, they don’t practice a lot, but they do pay, they do pay, they do pay a lot of money, but then they’re expecting you know, there’s think i think is only like two Americans, but they expect their American to do everything. So you will have a score of 60 6070 points or wherever like that, but you know, but that’s what they want. They’re Americans or do they want their measures to come over and score? Come on rebound, that’s what they want the Americans to do. So that’s what they make. I mean, they make they pay they pay really well.

Santiago Leon
Would you I mean, when a player does not make an NBA or doesn’t get drafted, do you recommend them going overseas or you know, try again to the to like the NBA g league? What what? What pad do you suggest for those players?

Erwin Dudley
I mean, the G league did not mean to me They’ve made some strides, you know, changing the G league format know, to to kind of get the guys get the players more money. So, I mean, if that’s an option, you know, you look at it, but I, you know, for me myself personally, like I always tell guys I look, you know, like look, you gotta understand this a small window of opportunity to play basketball. And so if you know, the team’s gonna promise you the teams will assign you they’re gonna assign you but again if we wait in three four or five years you know the time to try to get you know get an NBA contract or whatever you know never saying oh, we like you like they just keep telling you Oh, you’re closer closer Oh, I mean chances are you know your your window your one opportunity to close and so my thing was, you know, even if you go with even if you play even if you go overseas and play and play for a year or two, you still you still can go and you know, say and try for the NBA if you want to, like I had guys like that. Do they do that all the time, you know, they still know to come on and play during the year. And then suddenly they go and play somebody want to play somebody, somebody Some guys get picked up and some guys don’t. I mean, I have a teammate now that you know, play me play with me in Turkey. And he did the same thing. He played overseas for a while and now he’s in NBA. He’s been about three, four years now. So you have opportunity but like I say, you know, think that and allow the guys to use you know, the NBA they used to do them being an NBA or no, you know, the roster do different things, you know, to in order for them to get a little get more money as well. So that’s another thing too, that guys will use and put in their repertoire. But I mean, myself, personally, I suggest guys go overseas because you’re gonna get a little bit more money. You know, they’re not probably not the first year but like the second third year, you probably make it a little bit more money than you would you know, from the G league or whatever, but then after that, like so you can try, you can try to you can try to get money as much as you can try to get as much as you want in

Santiago Leon
just one more question because this is very This is very interesting for me. We’re a whole lot of NBA scouts were you were over there.

Erwin Dudley
Yeah, you do. You do actually sound they actually see nothing is there and you know, especially, you know, I mean your course some of them they stick out you know that because they weren’t you know, they were they change shirts and stuff. So you know, I mean you do do you do talk to some of them? Some of them you don’t talk to, you know so yeah you do run into song of

Justin Riley
course you play in a very strong era of college basketball, you know, the basketball landscape has changed greatly, especially now with the one and done and now players can opt out of going to college and jumping straight to the G league. Do you feel like that’s gonna hurt the game of basketball? college wise?

Erwin Dudley
I don’t know. You know what I actually do? Thank you Well, because in the day like say, No, no, the main thing that you know, a lot of guys are looking at it like Excuse me. Um, you know, with money, I mean, you can go you can you mean if you leave high school, you can go and start working in wherever you want to work. And then the whole thing is why why why do I have to go to college and why can I get paid, you know, college And I understand that I understand that too. And I think I think it will eventually hurt because you have a lot of the top guys, I mean, some of the guys that went to the G League, some of the guys, they’re going to, they’re going overseas, they’re going to Australia, they’re going to different places, they’re going to, they’re going to different places to play, because at the end of the day, like they don’t want to be, you know, they don’t want to be tied down, you know, to to a program or institution. They want to be known. They’re professionals. So that’s what they want to do their main goal is to go and make money so they didn’t take it as not being you know, tied down to an institution they’re going working on a game being able to go overseas and or different places and work on that game more versus you know, that college a you had this same thing but you’re still on that, you know, you you in a different type of format.

Santiago Leon
Yeah, which is something that I I mean, because I follow a whole lot of other sports, internationally in Europe, like soccer. kids start being pro at 16 or 17. And I can see that in basketball because I know with American football, you can’t go pro right away because the These kids are skinny. They’re like, very brittle. But in basketball, I could see that happening where these players could leave high school and go straight to Pro. I mean, I know Kobe did it, but I could definitely see that more happening. Would you agree?

Erwin Dudley
Yeah, I agree. I mean, like you said, with the whole thing we were you have, you know, they bring guys like for example, he might bring a guy like some sometimes we bring a guy from from this a group of doctors, they brought him Real Madrid brought him from Croatia. They brought him over any young age less than 12 years. So he’d been playing in their, in their junior teams or whatever, like, you know, for the, for the last, what, five, six years or whatever he continued to produce and continue to get better and then they move them up to the CMT and so you don’t like a lot of that right there. We don’t get that we don’t like some of the players who don’t get that experience to be able to to be happy be able to play with all the spinners guys like that we don’t we don’t get that is like okay, you’ll have older Gods I’m talking about like, professional, from a professional are able to come in, it’d be nice to work. players and older guys dance on a professional club so they get a chance to learn is that versus no for us is totally different. Like we’re not we know we can’t go and some of the guys even though they get paid and stuff, so we’re not allowed to do that. So they they’re making money. And you know, like 12 years old, 13 years old, some of them because they’re able to do so you dig into a lot of experience as well.

Justin Riley
But I want to kind of get back to you when you’re playing internationally tours you like I said earlier, you became a star and had an amazing career that spanned from 2004 to 2018. Why do you think that your place was overseas and not with MBA? What? What made you so successful there?

Erwin Dudley
Um, I think I mean, I found a founder. Oh, no, I think that one thing you know, I didn’t mind being there. Um, I mean, I just felt like it was just something that you know, it was weird for me to be there. I didn’t know I was comfortable, you know, I was good. I was, you know, I was taken care of I didn’t have any, any complaints. I don’t have any problems. I didn’t, you know, I didn’t bounce from country to country not saying they bounced from country to country the bad thing, but I was I was able to, to pretty much stayed in the same country my whole entire career. So I think that there was something to that kind of, you know, help me out, you know, I was there. And I was in Turkey, no Twitter, but in my 13 years of professional being a professional, so, I mean, so we wouldn’t have, I mean, I didn’t have a lot of stress, or I did have somebody with a lot of stress and whatnot. I just feel like that, you know, I just felt like I was having a lot of success over there. And I knew like once I got to a certain point over there, I knew that if I took a chance and went back to the day I was based out of installing back old from scratch or whatever, so I didn’t want to I didn’t want to do that. I didn’t want to do that. And well, I didn’t feel like that. I did I want to do that. I don’t feel like there was right right to draping. Do so I didn’t I didn’t do it.

Santiago Leon
Yeah, I mean, Turkey definitely brings a lot of talent like and is Kantar turkey glue. Um, do you think internationally with about like the game of basketball? Do you think internationally like they’ve caught up with USA? Or do you think in a couple years we’ll see more countries winning like the Olympics or FIBA?

Erwin Dudley
I don’t think so. I mean, I think Don’t get me wrong. I think they I think they do have some talented players, but I don’t think that, that they’ve caught I think, I think that they have players here. They’re they’re improving, you know, and I think a lot of guys they’re targeting targeting the USA, because they want to be the USA because, you know, we’ve been we’ve been dominant for so many years. But overall, I don’t think that I don’t think that there’ll improve. I don’t think countries improved enough to where they are when when people are winning Olympics. I don’t think there’ll be a winner like, three, four or 567 years. I don’t think that I think they’ll deal with one or two years but I don’t think There’ll be peaceful dominance as to where did the USA won’t have any chance whatsoever.

Justin Riley
I do want to talk about something that happened it was pretty special to you. Back in 2019 you were selected to the SEC legends team. That’s pretty awesome, man. I mean, you join a list of several grades in sec not just that sec mean Alabama alone players like Robert Horry, Derrick McKey, James Howard Robinson, and what did it mean to be elected to this team and then be associated with those those great names?

Erwin Dudley
Oh, first of all, our cola shop, even when they even told them like, you know, because I had been getting people have been kind of hidden in that me for some reason and that and I had never even heard of that ceiling. I hadn’t even ever heard of it. But I didn’t I didn’t even think about originally, in my brain. Like that was actually what they was trying to give me. Gave me to be, as I had several people, you know, come to me during the year like You’re going to Nashville, like going to Nashville. And they were kinda, you know, they will kind of be quiet. You know, they’ll sound like okay. And then one day the I got a call. I got a call. I go you know, coach, Coach, he wants you to come into practice. He wants you to come watch God. Okay, this kind of weird way of life. Now I’ve been around I’ve watched the team practice I’m like, okay, know what’s so special about today? I didn’t know and so you know stay there you know stay around watching him watch him practice you know Aaron Aaron joined this ID called a you know, you need him thing I’ll just coming in watch practice. You know, we’ll talk to you later. I’m sitting up there. Obviously after that what I’ve seen what I’ve seen out there to try and practice and then then call me now. Okay, call me now. I was gonna, you know, I’m thinking about Okay, what’s going on? Me and that’s when they can be a camera crew came in and they told me like, Yeah, you’ve been selected. What? You know the SEC you know, 2019 and labor for Alabama? No. It was a great honor. I’d never expected there are no small child kids, you know, Alabama, just like I said, My whole thing is for me as a person that’s clear, like, if I’m gonna do something, I try and do my best. I’m trying to play hard. And, you know, for me being honored on it, and that way, you know, I’m appreciated. Love is a blessing. I think God for me will disagree. It was just a great a great time for me in Nashville, my family came up so we had a really good time. But like I said, it was a great honor to name that and I really appreciate that.

Santiago Leon
While playing college, especially in the sec, who do you think was the best player you’ve played against while in college?

Erwin Dudley
We had, we had a lot of a lot of good players, especially in sec. One a good one a good David West. I mean, you know, you played in the NBA for a long time. Now playing against him at Xavier. He came in he came to Tuscaloosa. You know, he was a really good player. Isn’t he wise Mario also, you know, of course. He was really Were you doing 1000 was another one one of the most I mean, we It was a lot of it was a lot of lot of guys, you know, know coming in, we came from somebody else but I can’t think of money but we had a lot of guys doing their job. They’re really really talented.

Justin Riley
You know, Pat, Pastor your career and you now coach and key tell us a little bit about the your camp that you have. I want to know a little bit more about that is now you’re a player but you were a player, but now you’re in a different role. You’re an instructor. So how’d you get started with that camp? And can you tell us a little bit about that?

Erwin Dudley
Well, it’s my it’s my nonprofit. I started it back in 2013. So to like 2008 or nine I think it was, it was it was something that that I feel there was needed. Back in my hometown back, you know, back in the day community you know, we know we know our area where I’m from is you know it’s a rural area so you don’t have a lot of a lot of things of that no camps or different things of that nature going on. So I feel like some people like me, me being able to come back and establish and being able to, to do a count like that every snow every summer you know, every you know, every summer for the kids was a great thing. We we recruit women approval we get kids from all over from Greene County, Hale County, Dallas County, all our surrounding areas which is called the black bear all the surrounding counties that surround in my hometown and they come in and we average every year or so for this year because of you know, because of the Coronavirus audits this year, but we average between about 130 to 166 cities. And so I mean it’s a great opportunity as a free camp. We have some great sponsors. They come in and they have that allow us to go on and go in and put on account for for the kids and like say the kids they enjoy and enjoy some of the kids also to what they they come to the camp every year once they graduate high school you have a lot of them they’ll come back and work to camp so it’s just a great experience for the for the community and the cable journal so like I say this my nonprofit and it’s a great it’s a great opportunity. Great thing

Santiago Leon
you know of course the South is known for football but how do you see basketball like right now and like the like the South East Do you think it’s growing since when you first started?

Erwin Dudley
Oh yeah, I mean, I think i think i think that the talent is a lot I think the talent in this year’s is a lot more spread out. I think when I came through you know the talent was all you know kind of bunched up excuse me bust open like you know, certain areas. But I think it’s spread out a lot more now. You know, people know people move in and different places and stuff. And I think that I think the talent the talent is spread out

Justin Riley
What are some takeaways from your college and pro career that you want to teach the up and coming athletes not just in your camps but any who may come to you for advice? Or I guess, maybe meet mentors?

Erwin Dudley
Well, one of the things I always tell people, I mean, I tell them you definitely you got to keep God first. That’s one of the things but also to you know, I tell him that you know, once if you play him professionally, we’d be going overseas or what if you play professionally in America going overseas you playing here in the States or if you’re working in the states where you know it’s the opportunity and you know what, you know, one opportunity to lean to the next. So with the opportunity that you have, you always got to take advantage of you got to do the best you can because you never know when the next opportunity even those around the corner and so what I’m doing you’re doing some doing you’re doing your best all in one job or one area can lead you to the next one leads you to something bigger and better. So always do your best always be respectful. Always Be mindful know what you doing

Santiago Leon
you know, the story is very encouraging, because I because I talked to a lot of former high school basketball players that didn’t make the college or didn’t make like the NBA, but I was telling guys go overseas, there’s opportunities there. You know, you got Turkey, you got China, you got all over Europe. I mean, they want American players, you know that there’s a huge demand for that. And yeah, it’s, it’s something that’s very encouraging that we did, which you never gave up. You continue playing basketball. Um, can you tell us your future plans? What do you want to do and like the next five years? I know, it’s a lot but what do you want to do for like the upcoming years

Erwin Dudley
right now? You know, I got, I got a I got a nine year old son, I got. I got I have 18 year old daughter as well. So right now I just been I’ve been really no focusing on them. They have stuff going on. My oldest daughter. She’s at school here in Alabama. So just being We help her with different work and spending time with her because I missed a lot, a lot of time with her because I was overseas. So I spent a lot less time with her. And then my other job is to, you know, they have a bunch of activities from karate, to basketball to soccer, and all those things. So me just really just kind of soaking in and just, you know, really just enjoying the things. I’ve been, you know, my coaching our son, his basketball team, on this past year where we want to do a city here in Tuscaloosa. So I’ll be looking over, he’s, he’s gonna be tall, he’s gonna be tall. I got a lot of people telling me he’s gonna be taller than me, so we’ll see. But he’s gonna be tall when he like basketball. He likes to run too. So I’m pretty excited.

Santiago Leon
Justin, we’re winding down. So you got one more, two more questions. It’s all yours.

Justin Riley
Well, I definitely want to know, you know, if you get to go up against anybody in today’s game, who would you like to Get a one on one with

Erwin Dudley
Hmm, that’s a tough question. You see,

Justin Riley
you know i will i want back in the day to see you in chat go head to head man because you have similar styles, y’all both are so dang relentless, or David Robinson. And just the battle for the rebound is probably would have shattered you know the glass, just by standing by just because of the sheer awesomeness around you, but Well, I wish I could have seen that. But you know, if you were today’s game, would you like to go up against?

Erwin Dudley
Um, today’s game? Who would I want to go up against? Oh, are they

Justin Riley
physical enough?

Erwin Dudley
I know you know what, you know what, who I like and what I did, and I watched him a lot. And whatever. And I think that you know, it would been a good a good thing. Good. Personal Growth again. They’re not playing anymore. They’re retired. But Tim Duncan. I liked I liked like the way he played the game. He was so humble. When he played in the column. No, no, he was Mentally sound like across the board. And so he was one of the guys i think that i would i would love to, you know play against knows him being able to learn from too because I know he has he has a wealth of knowledge or has a wealth of knowledge.

Santiago Leon
Something to to definitely look at Of course, Dunkin and all those grades are happening. Ready for some rapid fire. Yep, Kobe LeBron.

Erwin Dudley
I’m LeBron fan. I’m sorry.

Santiago Leon
Were you able to watch the last dance? I did. What was your favorite part?

Erwin Dudley
I didn’t know I didn’t know john was. I didn’t know john was I knew he was evil ruthless but I know john was a savage Jordan was me. He was ruthless, but I liked it. They gave him a fiery Islam. I liked it. I just liked him. Overall, just He got his teammates that was my like some my favorite boy like how you really know talk to your teammates and got onto him and held him accountable.

Justin Riley
I gotta agree with that there we saw a whole nother side of Jordan that just wasn’t shown back in his day. This just ruthless feel general and what cookie cutter like he was portrayed outside the court. No, I mean, he was it like you said, he’s a savage. There’s no other way to describe it. And I love seeing that side of him. And that’s just something that was just so key back in his day to be successful.

Santiago Leon
Yeah, yeah, that’s something that I was really I was surprised I heard you know, stories about that. But definitely, I mean, I don’t hate Michael. I mean, he’s still the greatest and he pushes players and especially like that final push, you know, where, like, all those players were kind of a little bit older and getting a little bit tired. But anyways, we’re gonna head into poll questions. Justin, any final question? final words or anything before we head into poll questions?

Justin Riley
Yeah, oh, yeah. First of all, I try to incorporate some kind of positive message or our spiritual message with all of our shows is something I’m really trying to focus on. And I feel like there’s somebody in our audience that needs to, you know, receive that. And one of the things I was trying to figure out, you know, what Bible verse really described, where everything you went through, or when they found one it says, but take courage, do not let your hands be weak for your work shall be rewarded. A Second Chronicles 15 seven, and that’s the thing no matter what you were dealt, you just can’t work and hard, he’s kept grinding us took whatever was handed to you and you ran with it. He never stopped grinding and that’s just so so great testimony because you never gave up. You know, and, and we’re in a world now that if things don’t work out, people will take the toys and go home where they give up but instead you’re a guy that just keeps pushing and Something someone would definitely look towards, as far as they know how to be successful. So that’s what I take away from your career. And, you know, even when you’re in college man, I saw it there because you know, the word relentless continues to come up, you know, every moment whether you know, you were scoring points, or you are getting a rebound, or you’re just doing the small things that was definitely present. So, I just, I want to thank you for that. And that’s something that all athletes need to really watch and just aspire to be like.

Erwin Dudley
I really, I really appreciate that. And like you said, that’s one of the things that for me, like saying, as a player, as a person, I take pride in, you know, sometimes, you know, we live in the hands of we’re dealing life, you know, it’s something that you know, we can’t control, but we can’t control you know, the things that we do, the actions that we the actions that we take, and so that’s one of the things that you’re I always try to be positive no matter what I mean, just know just thinking it’ll get better. No guys on my side, and so that’s one of the things that I I always tell myself because you know we all we’re all human we do have a day you know where sometimes we do get down on ourselves along you know we’re human no we’re allowed to have you know have a download but don’t walk don’t lay down a wallet and that moment for for two weeks or months or a year you know you take it one day okay yeah but then next thing you pick the next next day pick yourself up and you keep going and so that’s what I tried to pride myself on just continue to move on and continue to strive and continue to push no matter you know what what circumstances were optimal place in front of you

Santiago Leon
definitely agree with Justin relentless never give up pushing it and wow this This podcast is really enthusiastic and to be honest, it’s given me a lot of enthusiasm and motivation, you know, to never give up. Anyways, poll question of the show over the day. What goes well with pink, cotton candy, lemonade, flamingos or flowers will be a better way.

Justin Riley
Pretty funny questions? Yeah

Santiago Leon
that’s what they call random questions.

Erwin Dudley
You say we’ll go pee

Santiago Leon
pink Yeah. Cotton Candy lemonade for mangoes or flowers

Erwin Dudley
chick fil a sandwich

Justin Riley
there you go, some pink lemonade with chick fil a

Santiago Leon
Justin Riley

Justin Riley
I guess luminaid man because guys don’t really focus on the color pink so if I had to choose something of some kind I guess would be eliminating like you said with the chick fil a sandwich.

Santiago Leon
Well cotton candy is winning by one percentage point lemonade second. And flamingos third flowers last Justin. me

Justin Riley
interested? Right? I don’t know we’re gonna do about society now.

Santiago Leon
And sports full question Should the Ravens acquire Josh Gordon or AB? Tonio Brown. We’ll go with Erwin

Erwin Dudley
I think you should get a be

Santiago Leon
Justin Riley.

Justin Riley
Man, I’m a ravens guy. And to be honest with you, we really have something this really special in the works right now and AB, I won’t give him his props. He is arguably one of the best at his position in the game right now, but he is has too much drama and too much baggage right now and I just feel like if he was to bring that kind of, I guess toxicity into the organization, it can really disrupt things. Now if coach Harbaugh can rein him in and get him on the straight and narrow, then it could work but I just really don’t feel it’s a good decision. I know that Deion Sanders has been spending time mentoring him. So that’s a definitely a plus. But right now gut reaction. I don’t feel like bringing him in is the best answer just given the state of things.

Santiago Leon
So you’re piggybacking Gordon,

Justin Riley
I don’t want either to be honest with you, we got choose one. Ah,

Santiago Leon
they’re both good. Be honest. Well, okay.

Justin Riley
I had to pick a B. I mean tell you why least a B will go out there and work. You don’t know when Josh Gordon is gonna work away he’s gonna decide to quit again. So you got that to be concerned about so if I was forced to make the choice between the two, say, AB

Santiago Leon
Antonio Brown is winning 70% to Josh Gordon 30. So people are agreeing with you. You go on the sports cast Twitter at the sports cast one to check out the Twitter polls. You do have a few hours left. Erwin, what is the best way for people to reach you online?

Erwin Dudley
I mean, I’m on social media phone but I’m not on there. Like I got you know, I check my cows I get I tried that because I know it’ll consume me a lot if I am. So Neither, but I but I do have I do have Facebook and I do have Twitter URL and this is my just my name Jesse

Santiago Leon
Irwin Would you ever consider to co consider coaching in the future?

Erwin Dudley
Probably possibly. But you know, I’m saying that the dentist though I don’t know. I mean, like right now I’m enjoying. You know, it’s a lot of us a lot of stress Mickelson, my son because he like you I disagree with anatomy like it, trying to get the kids you know to get in position and stuff like that. And it’s fine. I mean, you get I know you can get fired up for eight year old game, you’d be really fired. Oh, yeah.

Santiago Leon
Yeah, man. I’ve heard a lot of stories about that. Justin Riley, what’s the best way to reach you to talk to about the SEC basketball?

Justin Riley
Well, you can follow me on twitter at Justin Riley seven. I’m also on Instagram at Justin Raleigh underscore seven. I also will help contribute to the sports cast on both Twitter and Instagram. The sports cast one. Also want to take the time to remind everybody of next week’s guest next Tuesday night, we will be joined by former Alabama fullback Taryn Lynch. He was on the 99 two national championship team, arguably one of the best fullbacks to ever play in the sec. So, tune in for that.

Santiago Leon
Bam I’ll start tant Lynch looking for that back to football, basketball. I don’t know what it is that got me excited tonight. I hope Justin could could book some more basketball players or maybe Erwin could help us out to book some more Alabama basketball players. Oh, my gosh.

Justin Riley
I don’t mind having like a reunion show man. Oh, that 2002 Team 2001 2002 squad. Oh,

Erwin Dudley
oh, yeah, that’d be that’d be dope.

Justin Riley
Squad man. bring everybody in. Oh, yeah. Talk about those days because yeah, that was that was a great time.

Santiago Leon
And we could and we could do a documentary Saturday. ESPN afterwards. You can follow us at the sports cast dotnet the sports cast dotnet on twitter at the sports cast one, as you heard from Justin, we’ll be having more interviews. These next couple weeks of course sports it’s a little bit down right now but we’re keeping guys pretty upbeat and excited. And of course there’s more to come really excited about this week. We got the Premier League and of course NASCAR so only in soccer and races happening but basketball starts until next month and then hopefully football in the fall anyways Any closing words guys?

Erwin Dudley
Man I’m just thankful thankfully, they just reach out reached out to me and I’m able to talk to you guys and thankful you know for this you know just being having an opportunity and you guys continue doing what you’re doing. I enjoyed it. And you know if you ever want me come back on again at some point in time, just let me know.

Justin Riley
Yeah, great town to everyone. I can’t thank you enough. I really appreciate your availability. And like I said before, when we first were talking, you always been one of my favorite players from Alabama. So that was pretty cool honored to have you join. Definitely love the match that you provided us with. And like I said, with each of our, our podcast, I feel like there’s someone that God places in our audience and needs to hear specific matches of that time. And I feel like the story that she provided us with and several messages is really going to change the lives of the people who listen and it’s gonna make a big difference. So, really excited about doing that. Definitely want to get you back on. And if we can get in touch with the other guys, like I said, love to have reunion cast, maybe even next month or August. So if we can put that together, man, let’s do it. And I definitely want to take you up on that national championship burger challenge at ramaa jammas.

Erwin Dudley
Oh yeah, we need to do it. Definitely.

Santiago Leon
We hopefully in August, we might be up there so we’ll see if we could bump into Irwin. Anyways, Erwin Douglas Justin Riley, one last words ROLL

Justin Riley
TIDE!

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