In this episode, Tyler Turner reviews the PAC 12 with guest Ken Doepel of WestcoastCFB.
Tyler Turner 0:31
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Kevin Doepel 1:28
Hey, doing good. Glad to be back on talking with you.
Tyler Turner 1:32
Yeah, that so I guess just a verse kind of very general question to ask you about the season is what did you think? What did you think about this wonky COVID season in the PAC 12?
Kevin Doepel 1:49
It was a really interesting season, you know that I think that with the taxable playing a lot less games and other conferences, you can’t take away as much, you know, the sample size is just so small. I think even less this season, not even knowing who the best team in the conference was, which is, you know, a very weird thing to have happen. I don’t know if that’s ever happened before. So it’s not a whole lot to take from it. You know, but I mean, I think some players got some good, you know, time to get on the field for coaches to kind of evaluate them. It kind of didn’t feel like a real season. To be honest, it was kind of my impression. or weird to me. But, you know, I’m still glad that we had some football to watch and you know, looking forward to a real season next year.
Tyler Turner 2:31
Yeah, I totally agree with you. I think that’s one of the better explanations because I’ve heard some people online and Twitter and you get lost in translation, big time. But even, you know, sports media, people say, Well, this team was really the best. I thought this team was the best, but I think you explained it best. I don’t think you know who the best was the I mean, a couple teams played seven games. several others played six or five. And then there was like three or four teams that only played four games. I mean, the Washington Huskies only played four games at home. So it was I walked away being like, I don’t know. There was no real I didn’t win champion. Okay, so I like Oregon. But for the the chair. No, no, they didn’t win their division. But I guess they did win it because they couldn’t play Washington because Washington had co COVID. And then they backed in and then they beat USC. It was just such a strange season. And I completely agree with your take. I do not believe there was any way to really say this team was definitively the best. Yeah, I mean, Arizona is the worst. I think we can agree on that one. I think we can agree that was not very good. But other than that,
Unknown Speaker 3:50
Tyler Turner 3:51
I mean, Arizona State looked pretty good. But they only played four games. A Washington didn’t look bad. They only played four games. Um, it was just so hard. Yeah, I agree. I just, it was so difficult to understand. So since we got that all the way. Oh, what did you take? What from the small sample size that you saw? What did you take? What surprised you? What kind of went like you expected? Yeah. What did what what is this? What minuses Did you take from the season?
Kevin Doepel 4:25
some takeaways I had, you know, I think that without such a short season, there was really no tune up in terms of game to play some, you know, non conference teams. In a normal season, you get to play, you know, like the Idaho states of the world and kind of get a tune up for your program going into conference play. And without that this year, I think that kind of led to what we saw from Arizona State and Utah in particular, and even Stanford a little bit where they didn’t look great in their initial games. You know, I think they actually all three might have started out in two And then they all three, one out after that point. So with a small sample size, you know, those were some hot teams during the year. And who knows what would have happened in a full season if, you know, they played the full nine conference games and the three non conference and you know, where they could have been adding how the races really would have, you know, shook out in Stanford in particular, lidding have Davis Mills, and they played Oregon, and he was a little rusty against Colorado and that second game, and then he kind of came on at the end. So I think that, again, the takeaway is like, I don’t think we knew really, who was the best teams, but I think we can kind of project somewhat into next year. I think that’s what it really helps with is, you know, Utah and Arizona State, I think are actually really primed for good seasons next year, from what we saw this year, at the end of the year. Stanford, I think they’ve asked too much to really be a backer next year, which is actually too bad for them because actually looks like they could have been a contender this year, if they had more games to play. Then, you know, Oregon and u dub I think are you know, they have good, really talented rosters that are coming back next year. So, you know, I think we know they’re contenders. And then a big thing, I think USC blew their shot. I mean, this was their chance to win the PAC 12. And I don’t think they’re gonna do it next year in people who they’ll be solid next year, but I think it’s going to be back to u dub and Oregon again, and maybe even a few were Utah, representing South
Tyler Turner 6:32
America, you’re just like reading my podcast last week, you’re basically you’re just offering the same sentiments as me I completely agree with you. Um, cuz right now when you see the way to early rankings you’ve seen I mean, pretty much every major sports network to for seven athletic ESPN have been putting them out. And I’ve seen a lot, especially like ESPN 247. In particular, they have USC first today. There was even an article today that said, USC they could see being a dark horse playoff team. And I’m like, I don’t see it. They lost they lost two of the best wide receivers. They lost by far. By far the best offensive lineman in wide area Tucker, they lost their best offensive lineman environment to La bluebay. They lost their best safety and the best defensive player in the PAC 12 and talanoa Vanga. They lost their best cover guy and Elijah Griffin. They have some talented guys coming back. But the most of the most talented guys will be actually true freshmen. And what one thing that I learned as a fan of a team like Oregon this year, when I kind of probably thought they were going to be better than they were I didn’t take into account that 79% of their scholarship athletes were underclassmen so anytime you see where your best players your highest rated guys, the guys the most talented potential, or being underclassmen that’s never really something to put your foot on for having a successful season. At least initially. So yeah, I completely agree I am and I noticed the more West Coast centric guys like a john will nor or a storm Mendell for the athletic fate. They kind of offered the same sentiment actually. Sandell didn’t even rate USC. And because he knows he’s the West Coast dude, so he knows exactly what’s on the roster and kind of what they lost and at USC probably will not be as good. I totally agree. I think Arizona State in Utah, I really think they’re bringing back quite a bit both those teams, unfortunately, in just a tragedy Utah lost the best one of the best offensive players in the conference. He actually lost his life last year. Oh, can you hear me? Yeah, I hear you. Okay, are you there? Hello. Oh, can’t might see a cat we lost cat actually. Hopefully he can get back on here. And we’ll join anyways, so until he’s there, um, does the competition come back? agree with a lot of a lot of his his takes on on the back walls. In particular, the fact that USC is probably going to have a little bit of a drop off. You’re gonna see Utah he’s back I believe. Ken, are you there? Hey, Kevin, either.
Kevin Doepel 9:41
Yep. Hey, I think the the call dropped or something. I was like, I couldn’t hear you talking anymore.
Tyler Turner 9:46
Oh, I don’t know where we were. Where I was at exactly. But I was basically I don’t know if you heard I agree with you on USC. I don’t know if you heard me say that.
Kevin Doepel 9:56
I did hear that. Yes, I heard that. For Mandela. When I didn’t have USC ring,
Tyler Turner 10:02
I think most of the West Coast people realize more so than the national people. And that’s actually something I’ve realized recently, I’m not gonna go down that rabbit hole. But man patchwall is kind of forgotten for most of the especially a lot of national media, especially anywhere in the south and stuff, man day there, some of their takes when it comes to the PAC 12. In general, and the rosters and the predictions, it doesn’t seem like they’re very good working knowledge of the conference. But anyways, back to the subject line. Does anyone else? Um, I agree, I think USC is someone that probably will go in a little higher rated than they should be. I actually if I were to predict right now, I don’t think I think there are seven and five sort of team. And I think that possibly would be the end of clay Helton. You know he’s, he’s perennially he’s perennial in the hot seat. So I think it’d be tough for him to get another year if he finished that. And I do really see them heading that direction just because they have too much you’ve all they’re better players are going to be really young. And they just lost a lot of really good productive players. Like you IV I think Utah and Arizona state are definitely going to be teams to reckoned with unfortunately Utah course. In most tragic of ways lost life of Ty Jordan who was was amazing. his freshman year, he was one of the best players in the PAC 12 as true freshmen. So they have to replace him they have to replace the quarterback badly he wasn’t he wasn’t very consistent, but they have to replace him with probably the engineers Jackson or Charlie Brewer. And then Arizona State obviously bring backs Jane Daniels bring back some pretty explosive guys the offensive side of the ball and a pretty solid defense too. So I agree with you on the south and then you who have say UW Oregon in the north, I agree. Now let’s talk a little bit about UW in specifically Oregon. So the North I can read it to both can be the favorites. My one question about UW Frey for games that I still would I still go into next season a little bit skeptical that offense. In the four games that I saw. I didn’t see a lot of explosiveness. In particular album, The wide receiver position. I also didn’t see the ability of a guy like Dylan Morris get the ball down the field. And they have a terrific offensive line. They have a solid running back, but they don’t really have a good game breaker type running back. And I still have question marks john Donovan in general as a play caller, what was your overall thoughts in Washington on the offensive side of the ball?
Kevin Doepel 12:50
I agree with you completely. I think that I was pretty skeptical towards the john Donovan hire. You know, he didn’t inspire a ton of confidence, you know, based on his track record, in where he is currently at in his career. But again, to let you know, trying to have a run first often, it’s not necessarily the best idea when you don’t have a true running back that can really perform at that level. You know, I thought that Richard Newton could have been that guy but they didn’t really play him this year and kind of a mystery to why he said Mickey kind of got in the doghouse. So the coaches So, you know, going into the season, I think he was their top option but didn’t really play Sean McGrew i think is He’s talented but you know, he’s not your everyday running back. He can take like 10 to 15 carries a game. And then tomorrow was and you know, I’m not a huge fan of I don’t think that he really showed enough to warrant the carries he got so you know how much they ran the ball. I just didn’t really feel like they had the running backs to really take advantage of that they do have an elite offensive line. And that’s all coming back next year. Dylan Morris was you know solid enough? He didn’t really strike me as like a game breaker yet but he was also a freshman so it’s hard to really judge that. The wide receivers i know i think that they’ve been Huskies actually recruited wealth opposition the past few years, but they haven’t really shown much on the field. So you know, I might take away same as yours. I don’t think the offense was was all that great. The defense side of the ball is different story. I think that the defense Next you’ll probably the best in the conference.
Tyler Turner 14:26
Yeah, I agree. defensively. I think while Jimmy lake is there, I know that Pete can’t say his last name is Qatar koski. Because of koski. He says Lastly, hausky cookouts either go he obviously left to take taxes DC job, and a lot of people are like oh, I see online once again. You can’t listen to fans an echo chamber. But oh man, Washington’s coming downhill. Like it’s Timmy lakes defense, Jimmy lakes a defensive coach. He I mean, he still have all those amazing defensive backs over there. So yeah, I don’t I don’t really see that much of a drop off in the foreseeable future defensively. It really does. Really, where Washington ceiling is probably I question and ceiling, it really is on offense and you see how that college football’s turning. You have to be able, in particular to make explosive plays out in the field, and just the limited ability and then Phuket akua, who I thought has been the most talented wide receiver, I don’t know if he’s coming back to Washington. So I know a few people. And as of right now, I don’t believe he is going to now he hasn’t officially left so that that’s still up in the air. But as far as I know, he’s probably not going to. So if you lose the karula, then you’re going to have to rely on guys like Jalen McMillan, you’d have to watch Roman Odyssey Otto. Um, I tie Jones also left. Terrell bytom, I believe comes back if I’m not mistaken. And then you do have I think the best time to indicate on in the in the conference. And obviously he was very good. But I just think there has to be some way for that offense to be more explosive. Otherwise, you’re just going to end up losing some games that you know, I mean, your DVDs, no matter how good they are, they’re going to give up. I mean, there’s it’s hard to stop other talented teams, or game there’s going to be returning a lot of offense, and it’s bringing in one of the most talented offensive recruiting class in the entire country. So we’re going with a great offer with a great office coordinator. That’s going to be they’re going to put up points so Washington is going to have to go to head to head with them. And I think right now I just don’t not short enough on offense but like you said to focus on their defense. CTF was one of the best edge guys on the back just to factual but I mean, he’s he’s three game stretch there. He was pretty remarkable. I’m is I’m terrible at Dave’s Ooh. ficino. Is that the linebacker? There you go. Yes, you have to guide me. Oh, this. He was terrific. I mean, I want the highest graded I think linebacker in the conference, one of the highest in the nation, by pro football focus on why Bowman I think he was out a couple games, but he’s a very good player. He came back that was kind of a surprise to me. You Trevor Duffy, maybe the best cover corner in the PAC 12. There’s definitely an argument for that. Kyle Gordon. He’s definitely a physical freak. And he got better. Oh, I liked your defense. And I think your defense is gonna continue to be pretty good. I’m sorry that I’m saying your defense. You’re from you’re from Washington. So your defense, but I i like i like some things that the the Washington has on defense. My question is on the offensive side of the ball. Now I’m in Oregon. What was your thoughts? Obviously, I dad, one of the three short season made their season even a little more interesting. Backup champions. But they also lost three games, including to the not very good games. Oh, what was your thoughts of Oregon this year?
Kevin Doepel 18:07
Yeah, Oregon, you know, it kind of felt like a youth movement. I think when they lost those players the opt out, you know, I think that really hurt the defense. The secondary, if they had those guys, it would have been, you know, maybe Denver you dealt with in the best secondary conference. So that alone, I think, really made it tough for them. And from a defensive perspective. The offense was actually pretty good this year. But then, it seems like sharks kind of just regressed, I would say, and I actually, by the end of the year, I was kind of thinking that Anthony Brown actually like the better option at quarterback. But Ty Thompson next year might be the guy. So you know that to me, the biggest question mark on Oregon next season really is the quarterback position. And I think that Morehead is such a good OC in my opinion wsoc in the conference, I think they he can matter what good oranges for some point. There’s only matter who the quarterback is. So that’s, you know, a big advantage they have over the Huskies there. So I think that you know, Oregon from a pure talent perspective, I think I really like the roster, probably better than anyone that talks Well, next year. And I think even this year, you could really just see, you know, I know a school you know, guys just a monster. So they have a lot of really talented pieces. And you know, cJ pradel is coming back and I really like him and Travis is really good as well. So and then the receivers I mean, they can bring everyone back there as well. So I think that, you know, they showed flashes of being great team, but there’s also just some really disappointing games at times. You know, like the Iowa State game I actually, to be honest, Oregon was ag Nikolas in the believer in Iowa State and the big 12 but I said that Oregon has gotten pretty good chance to win that game and they kind of just dropped a dud and you know, Oregon State game was disappointing. So I really just, you know, Oregon was one of the harder teams to truly evaluate the season, obviously young and talented, but the defense just didn’t really show up the way it was expected and the offensive drop off the end of the year kind of hurt as well.
Tyler Turner 20:15
Yeah, I agree. I agree with pretty much a lot that you say. Um, so just to touch on the one day are actually because I do a team talent formula. I do it every year for sports cast. It’s kind of similar Toontown composite, but it’s a more simplistic formula using a shoni and distribution theory. So it’s just more of a basic math formula. But I take basically the highest graded guys give a give a point value. And I believe I’ve done my rough draft, but I can’t do the final one until like, the second signing day. You know, they’ve done all the final ratings for all the recruiting sites. But as of right now, Oregon’s going to be like number seventh rated roster number eight in the whole country, and they are going to be problems and they are going they are going to be number one factor. So you are right about the baseline. And there’s going to be totally three teams in the top 20 will be Oregon, USC and Washington. Um, but to touch back on your point, defensively, I I to be honest with you. There was not a more disappointing unit in the PAC 12 in the Oregon defense. And I know they lost their OPT outs in Jevon Hall and Thomas grant and Brady Brees. But they still returned a lot in the front seven cave on tibial Jordan Scott has to follow you. I’ve explained not to say and they had basic funa they still had enough that came back that their performance this year was a little baffling. And and you could boil down to the COVID the wonky year maybe mentally not being there. But it was it was it some games it was just the the lack of physicality at the line of scrimmage. I can think of the Oregon State game in particular, Oregon State was just running the ball down their throat UCLA, UCLA was another game where they were just getting driven back and you saw defensive linemen get moved up off the line of scrimmage. And basically the first guy the touch and running back was a defensive back which anyone that knows football, that’s not ideal, um, and then headed to safety position that that had a little bit to do with the OPT outs just really struggling covering the ball down the field. They’re kind of like a lot of teams were able to exploit the middle of the defense and to get a lot of effective passes out in the field and those overall drive efficiencies, not getting off the field. Taking 15 play drives you saw that big state game, I think the reverse three drives they felt like I was saying was on the field for the team on the field it was like eight minutes 15 blade drives eight another eight minutes 15 blade drives he had like 40 plays to Oregon’s 10 by the time the second quarter was around so just to drive efficiency on defense overall lack of physicality at the line of scrimmage and then the problem covering the middle of the field was honestly a very disappointing year defensively for them that’s why when Andy apples actually got the job of Boise State I was like I just wasn’t that sad because I even though they had to opt out they did I didn’t understand the defensive just the kind of marginal defensive legit I just thought it was a little over much for the talent that they’re going to get. I mean, Oregon State which has such a such a inferior roster as far as just is Jimmy and Joe got guys go that they should not be having 500 yards total offense on you. They should not be running for 250 plus yards. I just thought that was not just not a it was a pretty bad defensive performances by Oregon. And offensively. I agree with you on pretty much everything you said. I thought the offense at times was really good. They definitely were able to make have explosive plays, you’re able to run the ball effectively at times. The only problem was Tyler shuck. Even early in the season, he there was some mistakes that he made. It’s like Oh, he seemed to be seeing things. But then when he started I think getting his head he started overthinking he lost confidence. By the end of the season. He really wasn’t playing well at all. And then anti brown came in and was able to kind of get a little bit of a kick in the butt. So he’s coming back brown Chuck’s gonna come back they’re probably going to battle it out. Maybe declare a winner in spring ball. Probably the other one transfers seems like college football way goes and then Ty Thompson is a dark horse. He’s one of the best quarterbacks who kind of similar to Sam here it for Washington will say I’m here to beat star quarterback next year.
That’s those are those are kind of positions away. Watch but yeah, but don’t get off. It’s an audience returning like, I think all of them starters on offense, and they signed like I said one of the best classes, especially on the offensive side of the wall in the whole country. So offensively organs are pretty solid. I have more questions about the defense but there’s good players like you said came out tibideaux Noah Sewell, Justin Flo will be back from injury a guy like McHale right was one of the better reporters in the in the backdrop Jamal hills one of the better nickel guys. So there’s some players there. But I do have if there’s a problem next year, and it really is offensive side of the ball, especially in a game like live state where you’re going to play just just the elite Elite skill guys on the outside. So um, yeah, like I mean, I don’t know what else what other rare what other storylines to cover in the PAC 12? What Um, so obviously, when it came to new coach, what do you think about the new coaching hires? For like Arizona? Tired dead fish? What was your thoughts on that? That was pretty much the only movement I believe coaching wise in the in the PAC 12.
Kevin Doepel 26:07
Yeah, with so fish, you know, I don’t think they was like a name that necessarily inspired like, a ton of excitement around the conference, from the initial announcement. But fish did do a good job with UCLA offense in like 2017. So he’s definitely a bright offensive mind, but actually, I’ve been really impressed what he’s built there. His assistant hires are really, really, really good. You know, I’ve gone brown and one daddy or Michigan, but before that, I mean, he’s had a great track record. So to get someone like that it, you know, Arizona is pretty crazy. We’re going to be putting out our offensive coordinator rankings in the next couple of weeks once it’s finalized. And I mean, at this point, you know, it’s him or Scalia is number one with quick Halcyon, so it’s them to get someone like that. It’s just pretty, pretty wild. And, you know, he’s an offensive mind. So now you have, you know, an offensive guys and put up some points, teamed up with a good defensive mind. I mean, they have a pretty bad roster, but he’s kind of filling that in with transfers at the moment. So I mean, from what he’s done, I would give him like an A plus this point for what you can generally accomplish with Arizona. You know, it’s, it’s definitely impressive. And I think that people really should start paying attention to what he’s kind of doing down there. Because, I mean, there’s a chance that, you know, it’s not gonna be good next year, but give it 234 years, they might become, you know, a team that can win some games and start winning like 689 games. I don’t know. So we’ll have a chance to do something. But back we were saying about Indianapolis. You know, I actually wasn’t as high on him as a lot of people were to I don’t think that his defenses at Boise State were really all that great. You know, I think that if you watched what, you know, Justin Wilcox and Pico koski did a Boise State It was definitely a lot more impressive than what Andy have all those stickers of all those actually had a lot of duds. When he was playing the P five teams at Boise State, they will give it up like 40 points pretty consistently. So I didn’t think point 19 and Oregon was a little bit of an outlier, honestly, in his career, and he kind of regressed back to what he truly is. You know, this past year in Boise State he really liked the USC of your conference where you have a huge talent advantage. So for him getting up a lot of those big point games there. It’s really not a great look. And actually think that their new DC higher is going to be better from scheme perspective than what they had with Apollo’s.
Tyler Turner 28:47
Unknown Speaker 28:50
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Tyler Turner 28:51
I agree. I think he’s pretty good. He’s pretty good DC. I agree. I think I think that was an upgrade for Oregon is a solid example. You know, you would need to get sexy hires you think of the young hotshot that can get all the big blue chippers. But I think a guy that’s had a track record of you know, successful DC and you know, Air Force, the Texas a&m and then cow and he’s also even been a head coach. So yeah, I think I think that was a I think that was an upgrade. by Mario I glad I’m glad he went that route. There was a lot of rumblings that a guy like Tosh The boy was going to come there or maybe a Chris ash, but I was definitely arhat Zach Arnett was another name you heard, but I was kind of kind of happy that he was like an older, more experienced guy. Because I was on here like three weeks ago, maybe a month ago, his window Auburn lost the fire gospels on and Mario was one of the names trending. And I actually, my argument was, I actually didn’t think they should hire First of all, because I think Mario what he’s a great recruiter. He’s one of the Better recruiters, I mean clearly in the PAC 12 is the best I would say. It’s hard to argue against that. But even nationally, I mean, his ability to bring in like high rated guys to Oregon, it’s been, they’ve never heard it at this level, all but when it comes to actually gay management in game adjustments, being able to, like, basically his in game coaching, I always thought has been pretty to the point where at times he does things that are baffling. So I’d say less than average, like below average. So he needs good coordinators, I I like him in a position as the kind of being CEO being the face of the program, being the culture guy being the recruiting guru that he is, but not really being one that has to tinker with the offense tinker with the defense of time, because I just don’t i don’t see he’s not a Lincoln Riley, he’s not a Ryan day. He’s not a he’s not even Nick Saban, who was a great defensive mind. So it more, he’s more of like a Davo, or something along that lines that he can recruit, he can be a culture guy. But I think he really needed those strong coordinators. And I and like you said, like, avillez, I just there was, there was a couple games there that I’m like, you escapes, this is not working. If you’re seeing that this team is having the ability to do this, you have to change it up. You can’t just keep on running the same kind of defense. Because obviously your guys are matching up. It’s not working you just because you have the higher rate of recruits, just because you have what on paper looks like the better guys, they’re not winning tonight. So you have to get creative, you have to bring pressure, you have to spark life into a defense that maybe seems to be lacking. And that was that was a person that I was not didn’t see from abalones. And the fact that he brings a router I could see a router who at times has had to coach defenses that didn’t have the personnel, he had to find ways to create explosive plays, turnovers and the ability to stop guys that might have had better personnel on the other side of the ball, but he was able to manage against that exploit against that advantage by being just terrific prey color and a terrific defensive mind. So yeah, I agree with you i i like to hire who I was gonna ask when someone else Washington who is Washington Do you have any idea who is in the running right now for the defense for there? Is it pretty undercovers or much until winking?
Kevin Doepel 32:45
Yeah, it’s from I’ve heard they have some interesting chord Dennison. He is a former Husky linebacker, and currently co DC with Louisville. Welcome. So I’ve actually been talking with some people who cover Louisville and I’ve heard that he’s a candidate but I don’t know if that’s the route they’re gonna go or not there’s a good chance that they could just promote the qodbc Malloy into being that play caller because like you said before, you know, Jimmy legs defense and he’s not going to hire someone that you know, he wants. So in that position that he kind of kind of be underneath him, you know, like, more so doing what he wants to do. which really makes things are gonna stick in that kind of Boise tree in Denison wouldn’t really be that guy but Denison has had some time with Peter sermon, who’s had time with Wilcox and Wilcox into that Boise tree. So Dennison does have some exposure to that and he would be a good recruiter. And he would be able to listen kind of just to Jimmy lake and just kind of do what Jim like saying and be kind of, like, mentored in that role. He’s young to be more willing to do that. So I definitely would kind of expect someone who can if you’re gonna bring someone in, you can recruit as well. Because, you know, recruiting is not going that well for the Huskies at the moment. So definitely kind of looking at that, you know, recruiting type of aspect. But, you know, overall, you know, there hasn’t been too many leaks. From that front. I know Husky fans really want to see Gerald Alexander come back and be that guy for the Huskies. He was a really good defensive back coach at Cal and in a system at U dub back in like 2014 2015. But indications I’ve heard is that he’s not interested in come back to the college game and want to stay in the NFL. So, you know, it feels like right now the Denison’s only real name I’m hearing like outside of the Husky internal hires getting some traction but it’ll be interesting to follow in passive with no going
Tyler Turner 34:53
that’s funny Alexander that suit cuz I’m organda Keith Hayward and that’s another guy will be interested in Bibi candidate candidate for the cotc
Unknown Speaker 35:05
It sounds like he pretty much has taken that job I think it’s pretty much locked up. So
Tyler Turner 35:10
gone to Oregon
Kevin Doepel 35:11
and apparently Hayward and Lake aren’t huge fans of each other all the time recruiting against each other you know, they’re both you know, both TV coaches and players like that negative recruiting that goes on so yeah.
Tyler Turner 35:32
And Washington Oregon you don’t see a whole whole lot of those guys switching around for Denison but yeah, cuz I don’t know it was a pretty good linebacker for he for Washington. He actually he was a linebacker coach for Oregon for a season that’s out there. Um, he was here he helped with tibbett all right before and he ended up leaving right before um, yeah, so in any other Is there any other hires of notes going on in the PAC 12 right now? Is there any other positions that are available that you know of? Because I can’t think of any offhand
Kevin Doepel 36:11
a Colorado still needs to make their DC higher but now one is I completely under wraps like I have asked around and I haven’t heard a single thing no one knows. Or they’re all keeping it pretty locked down on that front. Oh, another name for the U dub DC position. Peter sermon. I think you know as possibility for the Huskies and that you know, I think that also increases the odds that keeps a workout at the play calling option at Cal if sermon is to go to u dub in sermon son actually plays a u dub right now. So definitely worth watching that name, too. But no, I mean, the answer to Colorado is DC jobs open? kind of things. Anything else? But that seems like that’s about it.
Tyler Turner 36:58
Air Traffic offhand. Yeah, I don’t believe there’s any other jobs that are open. Yeah, I’m trying to think of who else to we haven’t chatted about. We haven’t really chatted about UCLA. What was your I imagine a Stanford let’s let’s go UCLA first. What was your thoughts about UCLA season, I was actually lucky, a little bit impressed. Um, reason why I mean, low key I mean, if history and for and they lost a lot of games at the end that they probably actually could have won, they should have won could have been Oregon, should have been USC. They could have beaten Stanford, but they end up losing all those games could even come back and be caught up. I mean, it was they really weren’t in every game. And then every game that they won, they actually won pretty easily. They ran the ball to reject Felton was was phenomenal this season. dtrf times it’s some really good things their defense got off to the quarterback. Good. I think there was some good things at least CLA did play a bad team this year. What was your overall thoughts about them? And what do you think about them going into next season?
Kevin Doepel 38:05
You know, Chip Kelly’s tenure at UCLA really confused me in the sense that you know, his first two years there, he ran an offense that was kind of like his weird NFL offense that he ran where he was like that kind of just an awkward mix of kind of the what he did to Oregon but also a little pro style. And then this year, it seemed like he went back to his roots a little bit more like the Oregon offense and was letting the quarterbacks run you know, really got that zone Rico in and it looked way better than they actually had one of the best offenses in the PAC 12 this season. And so I think they’re going to be set on offense next year. But uh, I think the defense is going to continue to be a liability and I think that the higher he made keep telling me to DC was Jerry as an arrow is just you know, I don’t think he really had a track record that deserved that job. And I think that’s going to be the kind of their downfall and so if you have a win, I mean, I’m trying to feel like seven wins next year is probably the baseline six ones he’s probably out so he really needs to figure it out and kind of you know, but it should be solid enough next year. They have some talented pieces you know, between DTR and chase Griffin quarterback they got Britton brown back and running back he was pretty good this year. Paul Phillips and receivers pretty good so I mean, they’ll be solid in this and talented defense pieces to actually like we like to quantize night. So this should be you know, I think this South actually has some pretty good depth next year between USC ASU, Utah, UCLA, and even Colorado they’re all pretty solid teams. And I think the North is going to be u dub Oregon but South a little more open up I think, you know, like UCLA really could surprise someone, but I don’t I don’t really trust their defense.
Tyler Turner 39:56
Yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk about it cuz you When I was kind of going over predictions of what I could see the South be next year I’m like, Oh, I could see Arizona State b&n earn three or 10 and two and I’m like yeah, I could possibly see Utah you could see UCLA being like well the South is pretty good. USC could also see USC having a surprisingly bad here too.
Unknown Speaker 40:19
Tyler Turner 40:20
so speaking of Stanford, Sandra, actually like you You kind of mentioned earlier they didn’t look bad they won their last four games and the first game they lost but they didn’t have Davis Mills second game he looked rusty and then they won their last four games, but I don’t think they’re gonna be very good next year. But I always say that and and you never know that come out. eight nine games but they have not worked very great. The last four classes they’ve had two classes that haven’t even been in the top 40 and they know they will be the only one top 20 class. They lost a lot of really good guys to me. fiocco foster Cerro drew Dolman Connor wennington just gave read on defense so they just a lot of players they lost I just had a hard time seeing how they’re really replacing them with guys that are on the same level because they haven’t recruited that good it’s Dawson Jones and solid running back. I just don’t know about the quarterbacks I have not been impressed with a can’t think of his name offhand. Not Tanner McGee because Mickey’s public, the one that starts jack last.
Unknown Speaker 41:28
Tyler Turner 41:29
Yeah. JACK West. Michael Wilson. Is he back?
Unknown Speaker 41:35
Was the name
Tyler Turner 41:36
Michael Wilson the wide receiver.
Unknown Speaker 41:39
I think he should be back. Yeah.
Tyler Turner 41:41
Yeah, I think he’s back on his yoke is gone. Elijah Higgins is back. He’s a young, talented, pretty receiver. Pretty good receiver. But overall, Thomas Booker’s back on defense, he’s a solid player.
Unknown Speaker 41:53
Tyler Turner 41:54
I just don’t understand what in our roster. I mean, David Shaw is a good coach. But yet, there’s a time where you just have to recruit a little better level. What do you What’s your thoughts on Stanford going into next season.
Kevin Doepel 42:10
Stanford has had a really weird kind of slow demise under David Scott feels like, you know, they, it’s, you know, usually you get like that quick drop off, you know, even like Oregon under healthbridge, where, like, you know, you just kind of plumb it all sudden, and Stanford has really had that they kind of just, you know, keep slowly getting worse from where they were at the Harbaugh era, you know, recruiting keeps getting a little bit worse, so not gonna replace those talented players they had with, you know, people who are as good, and maybe they’ll still be one of the best teams from a talent perspective in the PAC 12. Even next year, probably. I mean, from straight talent. I went for assessment tools next year, but I think, you know, they, like you said they keep losing players, so they’ll be solid enough, but I can’t see them winning Pac 12. Next year, I think that maybe seven games or maybe eight games, they can win. But I would probably put it at like seven wins.
Tyler Turner 43:09
I shouldn’t be a bad season. So since we’re in California, what’s your thoughts on Cal next season?
Kevin Doepel 43:17
Well, Cal, I mean, I thought they were going to be really good this year. So I was pretty shocked at you know, what they became this year. And it’s kind of strange that they returned, you know, almost every player from an eight win team, and then just didn’t look very good. You know. So I do think they showed a little bit of improvement. And the year, they did win that game against Oregon. You know, they’re returning a lot again next year. But uh, you know, the performance this year, kind of put a damper on it for me, for them. In terms of where they can go, their offensive line, I thought was going to be a lot better this year, because they returned to everyone from last year’s team. But then they just were awful again. So, you know, maybe those guys just wondering, is that good, and it wasn’t gonna be improved. And that’s kind of made them think about their entire roster, you know, they don’t recruit a great level. So I don’t know if they really have the talent to keep up with the U dub or Oregon. See them being a pretty solid team next year. I think they’re gonna be better than probably better than Oregon State and Wazoo but you know, maybe a little worse than Stanford, or maybe equal to Stanford kind of the way I have them.
Tyler Turner 44:28
Yeah, I think I Cal is one of those teams that I think is one of the hardest, maybe, actually, if I was gonna say the very hardest team to really analyze the performance this year, and actually to come up with a really strong conclusion based upon any significant evidence. I think they’re made perhaps the hardest team in the PAC 12 because the first game of the season remember they had that, you know, the one guy personally COVID they had to cancel a game and they couldn’t practice again, like the defensive line had a problem. On a field by themselves, and then they last second had scheduled a game with UCLA and they didn’t even get any practice time with like offensive defense as a full team. They just had a really difficult situation Stanford to a certain extent to just that part of California is a lot stricter with the shutdowns that I’ve had. It’s hard to say what cow was. I’m gonna hopefully go Yes, Oregon. I don’t even play very good. But they’ve won. And, you know, you know, a couple of other games were competitive. But yeah, it’s just hard to come away. You know, from my perspective, I don’t know. I really can’t i can’t say when I think Kyle is going to be your your cracked about what you said that they don’t recruit that well. They’re not a very talented roster. So there’s always that problem. I think Wilcox is a good coach a lot is to Australia, he might lose sermon. So that could be problematic. Kate hate her word. I don’t think he’s as good as those guys. So that would be a step down. But then Wilcox is a defensive coach. But how’s your offense looking? It’s always kind of a question mark. And we didn’t see a lot from it this year. So yeah. It’s one of those teams? I don’t know. I think no one thinks games i think is good enough coach to they could be worse. I doubt they’d be much better. Yeah. And so that would probably say where the last two teams are just going through a Washington State. Oregon State obviously saw more for Oregon State than Washington State. Did you take anything good enough evidence from either team that you like seeing forwards or stuff that you maybe can see concerning
Kevin Doepel 46:39
for Oregon State, what I really liked is that Johnson Smith has done a good job at the, you know, picking up talented transfers. And I think that’s the route you’d have to go to Oregon State you’re not gonna win, you know, against Oregon’s recruiting battles against U dub for those fourth force arcades, but you know, they can get them on the ones those kids want to transfer, you know, so that’s kind of become this kind of doing that and be on some really good players that way. I think they need to figure out the quarterback position still. I don’t think that gave you necessarily the answer. Losing Mr. Jefferson in the NFL is gonna be tough, because I think he really cared that entire offensive here is kind of a one man show and he just was an absolute beast. And, you know, so without him, you know, I mean, they’ll be I think Jonathan Smith has done actually a really good job there. But the lack of talent, you know, again, it’s gonna put them in that range, they’re gonna win like, four or five, six games, and they don’t seem like a real threat to me to win actually win the conference. While Jews kind of the same way. I really liked what Jean Gloria showed that he’s really talented. I mean, Max bores us back next year, so that’s great weapon to have some good receivers as well with travail Harris and Renard bell. So, offense should be pretty good, but defense may not be up to par. And I actually really liked their DC hire when they got Jake Baker from Wyoming. But you know, you’re wanting to look that beard and they’ll probably make some strides this coming year. But again, you know, wall zoo, I think Leach did a really good job, you know, winning games with without much talent. And, you know, I don’t know if Rolodex can can really replicate what leech did, in terms of winning like eight nine games every year, I think enrolled is probably one more like four to seven games every year. So you know, I think that Cal definitely has way more of a chance to that dark horse and cow could win the PAC 12 north. I really don’t think while the Oregon State really have a chance.
Tyler Turner 48:40
Yeah, um, now i’d be shocked to tell that but yeah, you never know. Yeah. When I think of the conferences, what was I think did have to be some stuff that goes wrong with Washington and Oregon. For I mean, I do say I if I were to so I can ask you this question. Next prediction next year, I would go with Oregon. Um, I just think they have the best roster. And at the end of the day, I think that they have the best they’re going to have the best offense and and how college football’s going if you can have guys it can make those big plays your explosive offense explosive quarterbacks receivers, it can get down the field and you know just test the team that way and it just sets up so much other things on the offensive side wall. I just liked them best because of that. Now those concerns I didn’t like the defensive performances here. Especially with the talent now next year let’s see if the new hire Turner kind of change that. If it does. I think Oregon is I don’t know if they run the table the PAC 12 I probably would say no, I also wouldn’t picked him to go into Ohio State and upset Ohio State just because honestly it’s so good. But I’ll probably pick Oregon to be like a tenant to sort of season in when the north and I think Washington’s probably nine and three off top my head. It’s hard between those last four, I don’t think I need that good. I guess I’d get Stanford advantage with a seven and five, six and six, maybe a five and seven for Washington State like a three and nine for Oregon State. On the south, I’d probably I will probably lead right now Arizona State experience at the quarterback position, they bring back a lot. I liked what I saw, even though just four games, I thought they should have won the USC game. The UCLA game was tough because it’s coming after that huge COVID stoppage. And they look pretty good against the terrible Arizona but still look good. And then Oregon State so I thought they were pretty good. I think I’d take them. I think second maybe Utah, especially if they can get the quarterback position. Right. And I think Charlie Brewer or or Doris Jackson could both be an upgrade from what better JJ Keller was able to give this season. And then I think UCLA USC is gonna be disappointed. I think they actually might finish fourth or like six and six. And now you say Colorado and Arizona. I just don’t think they have enough talent those rosters I think those are like two and 10 four and eight teams. I know Colorado was better than that this year, but they kind of walk you through the wonky COVID season. I won’t be won’t be in early predictions.
Kevin Doepel 51:22
I actually have pretty much on the same DOD train as you are, I think you’d 100 agreement, a lot of these, you know, kind of predictions and we see things the same way. So I think I have Oregon right now, you know, especially with YouTube losing their defensive coordinator, you know, and really kind of just the disruption potential with kukuku transferring, as we mentioned before I give Oregon the slight edge right now, number one in the PAC 12 north. You know, I think they lose Ohio State probably maybe drop one tactical game. So I think 10 and two was pretty realistic. I think u dub you know when eight or nine games, Stanford, you know, around seven, I think Cal around six or seven. And then Wazoo, maybe five games and then Oregon State maybe four or five. And then over to the south, you know, I’ve been going back and forth between Utah, Arizona State and USC. Because, you know, USC has a better roster top to bottom than those two, but USC just seems to always like fall flat in some way. Right. So, you know, I actually think I’m leaning towards real estate to at this point. Arizona State how’s the quarterback play that’s proven. with James Daniels, their running backs looked amazing. So end of the year, I mean, they looked like maybe the best team in the PAC 12. And they were you know, I mean, it was just Arizona I guess. But that game was pretty nuts and they really destroyed them. So I think I take them in the south and then number two to USC number three, Utah four. And I thought I think USC and Utah both went around nine games. And then I think 14 UCLA wins like five or six games. And then Colorado maybe wins five or six and then Arizona, you know, who knows like two games maybe three games? So I agree you and I both see it really really similar
Tyler Turner 53:19
I guess I’m ceiling I’m kind of feeling USC losing a couple games early they kind of lose I just see the culture might get affected and I think that might be the swan song for for clay Helton. But you think he might be able to get his troops Hey, on and off that they end up having to nine three season?
Kevin Doepel 53:41
Yeah, I think he wins eight or nine games. That’s kind of feels like that’s the kind of ammo and if team’s slow, which is obviously a really good quarterback in college football. I mean, Adam and good cubies you know, maybe half the battle. Or no, you know, I think that that game against Notre Dame could really define what happens with clay Helton, you know if they go to South Bend and just get destroyed. I think that I mean, I think he needs to win maybe 10 games next year. I think their fans are pretty upset with him. So I mean, nine games I don’t think is gonna be enough for him to keep his job unless it’s like a really good nine wins, like competing Notre Dame and stuff like that. But you know, I think their fans are gonna want to see like 10 into four, they want to keep him. So, you know, and I think that’d be apt to go on the road to players on a state that gives you know, a few leg up there. You know, I think that they just barely kind of fall short and then Utah B’s are pretty similar and I think that them Utah Nice. Yeah, I guess they’re all pretty similar, but I’ll give you the edge just because USC actually has to go to Tempe and play there. So that gives Arizona State to win, in my opinion.
Tyler Turner 54:55
So last question, I would ask if you had to name five players on offense and five players on defense that you would consider the kind of premier players coming back next year in the PAC 12. Who would they be?
Kevin Doepel 55:09
Ooh, that’s a fun question. Let’s see if I can narrow down to just five year anything if you you know, top guy Joe,
Tyler Turner 55:16
that’s fine. You can just add five so we’ll narrow tunnel offense and 10 defense.
Kevin Doepel 55:24
So, you know, I think that starting with, I’ll start from the north and kind of work my way down so Wazoo I really liked Joe Harris. I really like Bernard bill. And then Max borghi. I think he’s a stud as well. Out of those out a trio, I can help take Max borghi over the other two, I think he really has an NFL game for what running backs to the NFL right now. Over Washington. You know, I I’d actually more focus on the offensive line with Jackson Kirkland. I think he’s a big stud. Coconut to Effie is to play and actually be healthy. He is an outstanding talent I think in in someone that can really dominate a game and I think you know, when he whenever he has played, he’s had huge performances, but he just can’t stay healthy. Moving down to Oregon, I really like I mean, the dogs actually have like, you know, talent all over on offense. I think that you can always guarantee the O line is going to be good under Mario Cristobal. And then I think cJ pradel who was a little disappointing this year but I really liked his game he you know, he’s tough but also break some big fast runs. You know, he once he’s open field, he’s actually surprisingly quick. Travis dye looks tiny on a football field. But he’s actually he’s really good this year. And he’s actually looked better than two days ago. And then Jalen red is really talented receiver. So likely he does. Michael Pittman. Then moving down to cow i think is Nicole Crawford going pro this year, I think he may have left. So you know, they do. Yeah, and we have a whole lot of offensive weapons. And I didn’t really like it off as a coordinator hire either. So you know, that’s one I’d only think Chris Brown is good. I guess they’re running back. That might be their best piece. And then Stanford. You know, I think that we mentioned Allison Jones, he can maybe do some stuff. Michael Wilson and USC, you know, I think Drake London looks like maybe I mean, this season he didn’t he showed flashes of being like the top receiver in the conference and next year, he may be that guy. So I would definitely look at him keep him slow. This is obvious one. And UCLA. I think that Kyle Phillips you know he’s he’s more of a possession receiver kind of guy, but he really shows some good stuff. Arizona State You know, I think that train them that freshman running back was really talented. So I liked him and James Daniels, Arizona Wildcats and tough one night I don’t really know if they have much weapons I really would be impressed by so I’ll just skip them entirely. And then you know with Utah I think that Charlie Brewer that he ever liked me to Baylor I think he’s got some talent so and I’m actually really excited to see what they do the transfers to with TJ Pledger running back from Oklahoma and then Colorado and and Derek Broussard is gonna be one of the best players in the conference. So I mean breaking it down to five from there I would I think I really like jerk Broussard. I really like Drake one being I think max four you can do something big. I think that cJ pradel will be actually have a big comeback a year next year. And then you know, I think that USC honestly just had receiver position. You know, I think that someone’s gonna break out and really do big stuff there too. And then talking defense. I think the Husky defense has a lot of really really big names in I think they you know, between Ryan Bowman left oceo Trent McDuffie those three guys are gonna be really really dominant next year. Oregon with Noah school in McHale right I think those are gonna be two of the best players Justin flow will probably be a dominant player next year. And then Oregon State’s out Avery Roberts is pretty good. Um, and see who else like USC I mean, like talked about before the USC lost a lot of guys. So they’re, you know, maybe not going to be as good as they were. But chase Luke’s at Arizona State. I think he’s really talented. So it was probably the guy that would call out on defense. Oh, definitely from Utah as well. And as part of that goes to the top five right there.
Tyler Turner 59:53
Okay, now you might be forget Drake Jackson cave on tibideaux and zTf.
Unknown Speaker 59:57
Oh, yeah, there you go.
Tyler Turner 1:00:07
Yeah, I would say actually there you go. I see zTf children tibideaux Drake Jackson, Devin Lloyd and I would tribute Duffy’s really good player. So I’d probably go for with him as number five offensively. See, I know the quarterbacks if someone were taking Silver’s or Jane Daniels but I don’t know if any of the quarterbacks have garnered I you know, the good players but I don’t see any real game changer yet in the PAC 12 props the same keyword or Ty Thompson or Jackson dark in the future can be that kind of guy in the PAC 12 and I hope I hope so. Quarterback driven game right now football is all I would probably say Drake London is a great player. Jared Broussard had obviously a very, very good year. Let’s see if you can do it again into Colorado. I have my doubts about Colorado last two games this season, I think showing a lot more what Colorado was as a team. Um, I actually really like Devin Williams for Oregon. He was the USC transfer he when he played he was out a couple games with the COVID protocol. He was pretty pretty darn explosive. And he added a different variation. I could see Devin Devin Wayne’s been one of the better players in the conference next year um I like it often get often is probably the best tight end and hard to say a tight end never been one to five or 30 I’ve said he’s a very very good player and then I’d probably I like the tight end for UCLA don’t judge there’s another tight end I say yeah, I mean he’s he that could start a a terrific gaming gaming it’s USC What did you say you
Kevin Doepel 1:01:54
know, that’s good. Call it out. Yeah, I think you know, I actually put them on our our ESP first team all Pac 12 so he’s a monster and yeah, and like he’s about Oregon. Oregon got a ton of really good young pieces with tibideaux su una flow slay moto Utica. I mean they’re gonna be really talented McHale right I mean, Jamal who even looks really good at time, so it’s pretty stacked
Tyler Turner 1:02:24
your dark horse guys that you know how he looked at the end of the year, if he ended up coming out and being like an all American level player I would not be totally shocked. He’s pretty he’s pretty good player. So yeah, I mean, what do you go through you do see sir AJ Drake Jackson. Especially like defensively, Drake Jackson and Anderson like USC does like the Drake Jackson chrissteele um, you know, will Xavier offered one of those transfers that they have come in they also like Katie Nixon USC, and Gary Bryan Jr. and how brutal clay a former five star so you see still does have the people I just they’ve had people for I mean, you look at the team talent composite USC is has consistently had one of the best rosters in college football. But clay Helton detail was Inception was six years ago. In those six years clay Helms only won one Pac 12 title, he’s only had one top 10 finish. So I just call me a skeptic. I’m a guy that has not utilized his talent to the best of his ability. And he’s has a younger roster and probably sit on paper, even a little less talent than some of his other teams. Will he be able to galvanize that and be able to manage it to a successful team? I have my doubts I really do. I like I don’t mind. I don’t mind. Tata Lando, I don’t want our Lando. I don’t love KitKat Graham Harold’s Not that I think his system would work for certain teams. I don’t like that system for USC, USC, they should they should be able to run the ball. I mean, the way that they are their inability to run the ball. The last couple seasons is baffling. I mean, USC has always been known for having terrific running backs. I mean, lyndale wide, Reggie Bush, I grew up on USC having some of the best running backs college football. Now they haven’t run the ball. So I just don’t like that higher there. I just don’t like how USC looks. I’ll never be sad. But I good. USC is a big part of like the core of the back wall, right? I mean, we USC is good. You feel like scotch was doing good, right? And it’s one of the real Blue Bloods of college football that had been good for half a century. So I don’t know I just don’t I just have a believer in that system. And I believe in that culture. I believe in its culture. And I think the quicker they get rid of layout the better for them because they can probably find someone to do it. If we fulfill their job, and that’s just my opinion there. But while Can I think we covered a lot? I think we did you mean, you agreed on quite a bit? Honestly, it sounded like we kind of saw the season in a similar fashion. I think we kind of see next season in a similar fashion. I’m really interested, because I think we get, like you said, and like I’ve said, I think the sample size due to just all you know, the late start and all the cancellations of teams playing away for him, I just thought it was so minimal. It felt like an exhibition season. A big 10 was kind of similar. I covered the big chat actually on this podcast, too. And I feel the same I choose I’ll take people in the big 10 they’re like, Man, this kid was terrible. And petsafe I’m like, it was so weird. I would consider that to be the consistent future. It’s more of an anomaly. So I think next year, we’ll really you’ll see how good teams are and, and full offseason of everyone getting kind of back to normal. I think we’ll do a lot of good. And I want Yeah, I want to see that out. Now. I’d love nothing more to see a PAC 12 team back in the college football player. Do you think there’s any possibility next year, the backlog can get back to the cost? What? Well,
Kevin Doepel 1:06:18
you know, actually, that I think the biggest issue with that is that paxful next year just has too much parody. You know, I think that, you know, we went to those players, and there’s just so many talented players imagine, usually don’t have that many star players and turning, you know, around the conference, but with this new rule that, you know, players can come back, it really creates that parody. And, you know, I think that the teams that lost players are more so like Yoda, you know, Oregon, USC, Stanford, you know, the teams that recruit really well, are the ones that lost them guys, the NFL, you know, before the season, and after the season. And then the schools like Wazoo, you know, didn’t really lose anyone at all. So it’s going to even kind of increase you know, like those schools should be able to compete even better with you know, the Yuda working us ease of the world. And so, you know, we’re talking about there’s gonna be a lot of parody next year, and I think parody in the PAC 12 is honestly one of the biggest detriments I can’t really see Pac 12 team only losing one game total. Especially since you know, Oregon has to play Ohio State u dub has to play, you know, Michigan, I think both are on the road to do those games, too. So that makes it even harder. USC has to go to Notre Dame you know, if one of those schools can pull those wins off, though, and then run the table, you know, or only lose one game in conference play, then I think that they have a really good chance to make the playoffs. But you know, as it stands, I just, it’s frustrating. And I think that we’re gonna kind of come up short again, and they will end up looking to loss, you know, champion situation. So fingers crossed, that they you know, someone makes it but at the moment, I think, you know, it’s gonna be another year without making the playoffs.
Tyler Turner 1:08:14
Yeah, I would. I mean, as of today, I would tend to agree obviously, if the the roster is gonna be vast is going to be Oregon, and they’re the one that has the best game and the non conference, if they’re able to pull off the upset there, then that would probably be your best chance. I’m just not seeing Yeah, I think Yeah, but i i i’m not gonna predict it. But that probably be your best chance at making the playoffs, but it’s probably as of today, you’d be definitely would be more of a surprise if it were to happen. I can’t Well, thanks for coming on, man. You’re welcome back any time we’ll all probably have y’all again during this offseason. Maybe we can talk. I don’t know. We’ll talk something. I’ll probably always send you guys over my team talent formula. Yeah, when I get it done, I did a top 25 I actually do off college football. So I might do this year I might go through specifically and do just the PAC 12 so I’ll send you guys over and you can share it or something on your page. Um, so thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. And it’s always good talk some good football and you have a wonderful night.
Kevin Doepel 1:09:31
It Thank you No different than that over and we would love to share it you know, with our followers. So I love looking at stuff like that and definitely give you some insight into you know how things should shake up the next season. But great talking to you and I’m sure we’ll connect again soon. Have a good day. Talk to you later. Bye. Hey,
Tyler Turner 1:09:51
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